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Are Catholics “Born Again?”
Catholic Sensibility ^ | March 13, 2010

Posted on 03/13/2010 1:24:38 PM PST by NYer

Our parish has a Q&A feature in which staff members tackle the queries left in a comment box or e-mailed to the parish. I volunteered to reply to the question titled above:

The root of this principle is in John 3:3-5, and it reads:

Jesus said to (Nicodemus), “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above.”

Nicodemus said to him, “How can a person once grown old be born again? Surely he cannot reenter his mother’s womb and be born again, can he?”

Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.

Scripture scholars note that the Greek word ἄνωθεν (anothen) means both “from above” and “again.” Jesus seems to be referring to the first meaning, and Nicodemus seems to misinterpret the Lord, taking the second meaning.

Misunderstandings aside, the notion of being reborn in baptism, in “water and Spirit,” tells of the great significance of the sacrament, and of the commitment to the Christian life it implies. Jesus certainly preaches that those who wish to see and participate in the kingdom of God will experience such a momentous change in their lives, that the notion of a second birth is not an exaggeration.

Many Christians speak of being “born again,” as a graced event in which people, usually adults, experience the Lord in such a significant way that it’s like a whole new life for them. And ideally, this is what all Christians should experience when they commit themselves to Jesus Christ. The question might be raised: does it happen only once? Or is it possible, through a continuing conversion, to go progressively deeper into a Christian commitment to God? The witness of the saints might suggest that this continuing experience is the mark of a godly life.

In baptism, and even as infants, Catholics are “born again,” in the sense Jesus means: “being born of water and Spirit.” It’s no accident that the baptismal font at our parish was designed to suggest a tomb, and that in baptism we participate in death and rebirth, as Saint Paul describes, “We were indeed buried with him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live in newness of life.” (Romans 6:4)

As a child grows, an openness to God’s grace is necessary. The same is true for adults. Baptism is not a magical event, and neither is the evangelical or charismatic experience of being “born again.” Each of these experiences is an opportunity for God’s grace to work in us. But we always have the freedom to choose: we can close ourselves off from divine grace, or we can cooperate with God’s will and live out a Christian life after being “born from above.”

Image Credit: painter Edward Tanner (1899), Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts, Philadelphia.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: bornagain; catholic; salvation
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

It has always seemed to me that the rock meant Peter, although I have seen contradicting opinions here. But what does it mean to build the church on Peter? The Peter of the Gospel is an imperfect man, but it is his reactions to his own failings, once he realizes them, that make him a holy man. Could be that part of the message here is that the rock that we always have is the ready forgiveness when we fail, along with the more superficial message that the church will always be built on imperfect men.


41 posted on 03/13/2010 3:04:10 PM PST by firebrand
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To: NYer; All

The only problem with Christianity is sects/churches/cults. Why should any non-Christian consider converting to Christianity when Christians can’t agree on much? Why do we need Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics, Methodists, and on and on? There should only be one Christian entity.

What percentage of Christian churches are fronts for moneygrubbing frauds? How does one tell the real from the frauds?

I’ve been born again. I don’t need a church to control my life, which seems to be the main goal as opposed to “saving” me. Christ lives in me every day, I don’t need a church to tell me how to live.


42 posted on 03/13/2010 3:05:15 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: MsLady
Until about 8 years ago, I experienced a physical healing from liver cancer, which lead to a rapid spiritual maturity over a period of 5 or so months. It was more profound then my physical healing was. I understand something that's so simple, yet took me over 25 years to finally get. God is good ALL the time!!! He loves us more than we can ever comprehend.

Thank you for the personal post and ping! Life is a journey during which we come to that realization. Our Lord told us to enter through the narrow gate. It is stories such as yours that remind me of what St. Faustina experienced:

One day, I saw two roads. One was broad, covered with sand and flowers, full of joy, music and all sorts of pleasures. People walked along it, dancing and enjoying themselves. They reached the end without realising it. And at the end of the roads there was a horrible precipice; that is the abyss of hell. The souls fell blindly into it; as they walked, so they fell. And their number was so great that it was impossible to count them. And I saw the other road, or rather, a path, for it was narrow and strewn with thorns and rocks; and the people who walked along it had tears in their eyes, and all kinds of suffering befell them. Some fell down upon the rocks, but stood up immediately and went on. At the end of the road there was a magnificent garden filled with all sorts of happiness, and all these souls entered there. At the very first instant they forgot all their sufferings. (153)

43 posted on 03/13/2010 3:05:17 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

Ahh Jeeze, This sh*t again?


44 posted on 03/13/2010 3:05:28 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
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To: raybbr
As a Catholic I recognize that my parents brought me to be "born" into Christ the day I was baptized - I don't need to do it "again".

My position exactly: Been There, Done That!

45 posted on 03/13/2010 3:07:01 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
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To: firebrand

Oh yes? And who made you the judge? Just wondering because I was under the assumption that God was the judge of the state of someone’s soul. I guess I haven’t been hanging around with the right kind of people.


46 posted on 03/13/2010 3:09:01 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: ADSUM

What. Where in the world did we say NOT to do these things. I just made the point that not doing them has nothing to do with eternal life. Maybe less jewels in your crown but nothing to do with being saved. I’m beginning to believe that a good Bible study is actually better than most church sermons. Bible doctrine in the soul is a must for true Christians. If you study the Bible for yourself the Holy Spirit will open the meanings up to you. Standing up and kneeling down several times and saying hail Marys and thumbing a rosary if just meaningless ritual.


47 posted on 03/13/2010 3:09:36 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: firebrand

“...but all the Catholics I know have not been born again...”

Balderdash.


48 posted on 03/13/2010 3:12:33 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: ADSUM

We aren’t reborn through reconciliation but we become closer to Christ by choosing to no longer separate ourselves from Him with our sin and our guilt. Every time we go to confession we are making a firm amendment to follow Christ wholeheartedly.

All the sacraments are REAL encounters with Christ.


49 posted on 03/13/2010 3:13:38 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Joe 6-pack

LOL you guys are so funny. Did I or anyone else hint that the thief on the cross took the easy way out. If you want to get into this discussion with any depth, try stating something doctrinal or where anyone is wrong by showing a scripture to back it up. Stay away from the lightweight dribble.


50 posted on 03/13/2010 3:14:02 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: tiki

I’m not judging those who are not born-again. But I can tell the difference. Takes one to know one, I think.


51 posted on 03/13/2010 3:15:26 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Mikey_1962

“Ahh Jeeze, This sh*t again?”

Yep.........sigh


52 posted on 03/13/2010 3:17:05 PM PST by Cheryllynn
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To: IrishCatholic
"Satan? Is that you? You type like him."

No. It's that fellow that would love to see many of the sheeple escape the clutches of the Roman cult. It's the guy that cares more for your soul than those Vatican mobsters do. They "make others more a son of hell than themselves". They lead folks astray by creating traditions of men, superstitions and ceremonies they claim can offer escape from the deadness of the soul. They are wrong and they should repent...if they can.

53 posted on 03/13/2010 3:18:47 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: OpusatFR

LOL. How can you say that? Do you know all the Catholics I know? Actually there is one other; I forgot about him. He is blind. But as I said to tiki, I am not judging anyone.


54 posted on 03/13/2010 3:19:03 PM PST by firebrand
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To: SaxxonWoods

Let me shorten that for you. The trouble with Christianity is the Christians. I was told this once by a full on minister, and I agree with him. Now, you Christians, don’t go getting all riled up. Think about some of your encounters with Christians in the past before you speak.


55 posted on 03/13/2010 3:19:07 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: firebrand
How do you know? You really know the intents of the heart and minds of all your friends? You should have and act in Las Vegas.
56 posted on 03/13/2010 3:23:06 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: Joe 6-pack
"...all he had to do was be crucified for his crimes, just like my Savior, who died precisely to spare us the wages of our sins. Personally, I'd rather do the faithful worship route. "

There is the heart of the error of Rome. If you think that somehow you are "faithful" enough to warrant heaven, you think wrongly, my FRiend. According to Paul, there is no one who seeks God, no one who is adequately "faithful", no one who will take the other way out. Paul notes that unless God rescues you by His decision, you will remain dead in your trespasses and sins...irrespective of the great life you may think you live.

So then, it does not depend on man who runs (lives faithfully) or the man who wills (chooses God), but upon God. And He will have mercy upon whom He desires and He will harden whom He desires.

May want to read the letter to the Romans all the way through sometime...if Rome allows.

57 posted on 03/13/2010 3:26:48 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: MikeWUSAF

The good thief did not just have faith; he had Actions. He roused himself, rebuked the mocking bad thief, and publicly stated his faith in Christ and asked for mercy.

He had faith with works. This is what Catholics believe saves us. We must live faith out daily through our actions or we are like the fig tree that bears no fruit. Every time we resist temptation and turn away from sin we are “born again” in Christ. In baptism, we become children of God. In Confirmation, we become adult believers who affirm, as adults, that we belong to Christ alone. Confirmation is the completion of baptism.

One can also be baptized through desire, as the thief was, if there is no other way for a baptism with water. Nothing is impossible with God. If we knock at the door, He will answer.

Catholics do not believe one achieves salvation at one moment in time, but throughout a lifetime of choices. What happens to people who are born again, but then backslide? What if that backslider lives a life of complete evil right up to death? Is he fit for Heaven and unity with the purity of God? No. His choices are what he will be held accountable for at his moment of judgment. His life showed he was not saved. We send ourselves to Hell.


58 posted on 03/13/2010 3:27:04 PM PST by Melian ("The seed is the same but the soil is different..." ~Fulton Sheen)
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To: fish hawk

Let’s see. There’s a little passage about knowing them by their fruits. Do you mean you can’t?


59 posted on 03/13/2010 3:33:37 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Mikey_1962

Again?


60 posted on 03/13/2010 3:35:10 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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