Can It Be? (Testimony of a former Jehovah's Witness)

CE ^ | April 3, 2010 | Mary Kochan

[reaganaut]

You will know a tree by it fruit.

- - - - - -
Um... news flash doulos, Christ was talking about FALSE PROPHETS, NOT behavior of believers in regards to knowing them by their fruits.

Go back and re-read Matt 7.

[reaganaut]

It was the anti Mormon crowd that is partly responsible for the Muslim in the White House.

- - - - - - -
OH THAT IS RICH. You are saying that it is the inmans fault our fault that Romney didn’t win the nom?!?

Do you REALLY think that Romney would have beat Zero?!?! Then you are delusional. There is now way Romney would have won, based upon his politics not his religion.

And what you say is my ‘need to tear down other’s beliefs’ is merely pointing out their inconsistancies, it is the first step in their eyes being opened.

[reaganaut]

Good catch.

[reaganaut]

applause!

[svcw]

Read...........like that will ever happen.

[Godzilla]

And of course .. It was the anti Mormon crowd that is partly responsible for the Muslim in the White House.

Oh,really? Romney shot himself in the foot all by himself. Romney/0bama care are kissing cousins to each other. His belief had very little to do with it.

[reaganaut]

Sigh, you are probably right, but it may pique someone else’s curiosity.

[humblegunner]

You are saying that it is the inmans fault our fault that Romney didn’t win the nom?!?

The phenomenal cosmic power of the Inmans is awesome to behold.

[reaganaut]

The phenomenal cosmic power of the Inmans is awesome to behold.

- - - - - - - - - -
I know, it’s like we are Karl Rove or something. ;)

[Elsie]

OH THAT IS RICH. You are saying that it is the inmans fault our fault that Romney didn’t win the nom?!?

We gots POWER!!!!

[Elsie]

And what you say is my ‘need to tear down other’s beliefs’ is merely pointing out their inconsistancies, it is the first step in their eyes being opened.P>Joseph Smith pointed out NOTHING when he bashed PRESBYTERIANism!

---

 

---

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,

“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

 

[Elsie]

So, why did the Greek Christians of the first centuries always show a cross! I would imagine that they knew what it meant. All the iconography shows a cross.

Darned good POINT!!

Absolutely NO translation 'errors'!!

[Elsie]

Not to be un-kind but I could say the same about Most religious beliefs and the Catholic religion would truly stand out.

You are a bit late; as Joseph Smith has already done that.

---

 

 

 

 

 

THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI
HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY

CHAPTER 14

 

An angel tells Nephi of the blessings and cursings to fall upon the Gentiles—There are only two churches: the Church of the Lamb of God and the church of the devil—The saints of God in all nations are persecuted by the great and abominable church—The apostle John shall write concerning the end of the world. Between 600 and 592 B.C. 

 

   1 And it shall come to pass, that if the Gentiles shall hearken unto the Lamb of God in that day that he shall manifest himself unto them in word, and also in power, in very deed, unto the taking away of their stumbling blocks—
  2 And harden not their hearts against the Lamb of God, they shall be numbered among the seed of thy father; yea, they shall be numbered among the house of Israel; and they shall be a blessed people upon the promised land forever; they shall be no more brought down into captivity; and the house of Israel shall no more be confounded.
  3 And that great pit, which hath been digged for them by that great and abominable church, which was founded by the devil and his children, that he might lead away the souls of men down to hell—yea, that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God; not the destruction of the soul, save it be the casting of it into that hell which hath no end.
  4 For behold, this is according to the captivity of the devil, and also according to the justice of God, upon all those who will work wickedness and abomination before him.
  5 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, Nephi, saying: Thou hast beheld that if the Gentiles repent it shall be well with them; and thou also knowest concerning the covenants of the Lord unto the house of Israel; and thou also hast heard that whoso repented not must perish.
  6 Therefore, woe be unto the Gentiles if it so be that they harden their hearts against the Lamb of God.
  7 For the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God, that I will work a great and a marvelous work among the children of men; a work which shall be everlasting, either on the one hand or on the other—either to the convincing of them unto peace and life eternal, or unto the deliverance of them to the hardness of their hearts and the blindness of their minds unto their being brought down into captivity, and also into destruction, both temporally and spiritually, according to the captivity of the devil, of which I have spoken.
  8 And it came to pass that when the angel had spoken these words, he said unto me: Rememberest thou the covenants of the Father unto the house of Israel? I said unto him, Yea.
  9 And it came to pass that he said unto me: Look, and behold that great and abominable church, which is the mother of abominations, whose founder is the devil.
  10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
  11 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over ball the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.
  12 And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon ball the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw.
  13 And it came to pass that I beheld that the great mother of abominations did gather together multitudes upon the face of all the earth, among all the nations of the Gentiles, to fight against the Lamb of God.
  14 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord, who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were armed with righteousness and with the power of God in great glory.
  15 And it came to pass that I beheld that the wrath of God was poured out upon that great and abominable church, insomuch that there were wars and rumors of wars among all the nations and kindreds of the earth.
  16 And as there began to be wars and rumors of wars among all the nations which belonged to the mother of abominations, the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold, the wrath of God is upon the mother of harlots; and behold, thou seest all these things—
  17 And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel.
  18 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, saying: Look!
  19 And I looked and beheld a man, and he was dressed in a white robe.
  20 And the angel said unto me: Behold one of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
  21 Behold, he shall see and write the remainder of these things; yea, and also many things which have been.
  22 And he shall also write concerning the end of the world.
  23 Wherefore, the things which he shall write are just and true; and behold they are written in the book which thou beheld proceeding out of the mouth of the Jew; and at the time they proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, or, at the time the book proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, the things which were written were plain and pure, and most precious and easy to the understanding of all men.
  24 And behold, the things which this apostle of the Lamb shall write are many things which thou hast seen; and behold, the remainder shalt thou see.
  25 But the things which thou shalt see hereafter thou shalt not write; for the Lord God hath ordained the apostle of the Lamb of God that he should write them.
  26 And also others who have been, to them hath he shown all things, and they have written them; and they are sealed up to come forth in their purity, according to the truth which is in the Lamb, in the own due time of the Lord, unto the house of Israel.
  27 And I, Nephi, heard and bear record, that the name of the apostle of the Lamb was john, according to the word of the angel.
  28 And behold, I, Nephi, am forbidden that I should write the remainder of the things which I saw and heard; wherefore the things which I have written sufficeth me; and I have written but a small part of the things which I saw.
  29 And I bear record that I saw the things which my father saw, and the angel of the Lord did make them known unto me.
  30 And now I make an end of speaking concerning the things which I saw while I was carried away in the spirit; and if all the things which I saw are not written, the things which I have written are true. And thus it is. Amen.

---

The Official Scriptures of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
© 2006 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

[Elsie]

My Point?

Yeah...

What IS it?

[Doulos1]

What is your point? Are you saying that this principle
is not true just because Jesus was specifically
teaching his disciples on how to spot false prophets?
Gal. 5:25 If you live in the spirit, let us also
walk in the spirit.

I’m shaking the dust off my sandles.

[Elsie]

Is that a part of his comedic routine or .. as I suspect .. He teaches derision as a defense against people who mean no harm. but who are OPERATING under orders from one who DOES mean harm - GREAT harm!

[Elsie]

Some of my greatest destructiveness to others was in the midst of the most earnest efforts to do good instead of harm.

---

John 16:2
They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.

[reaganaut]

My point is that too often people take the ‘by their fruits ye shall know them out of context’ and apply it to believers when Christ was talking about discerning false prophets.

Taken out of context, yes it does not mean what you claim it means, it is twisting scripture.

Christians will behave with love and charity but Atheists and cultist also produce ‘good works’ and that doesn’t make them Christians either.

If we are to claim that all who do ‘good works’ are Christians or saved regardless of their theology, then we are back to ‘all roads lead to heaven’ and that is not biblical at all.

[Elsie]

For those that don't know .. That is some 'Primo' real estate that Dr Kennedy's 'Church' is sitting on there.

Was it PRIME when he BOUGHT it?

[ejonesie22]

Here is another one off the deep end.

Is there some International Association of Cults and Offshoot Sects where they share notes and develop these delightful ideas?