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To: MarkBsnr

FRiend, read the gospel of John for your self and put aside all of your opinions and read it objectively and see if you come up with the same reasoning as you have been taught. That was not an insult. God kept it simple for humanity knowing that we would always try to interject ourselves into it.

The Apostles were... Ignorant fishermen (Act’s 4:12-14) and the elites of that day distained them because they could pistol whip any of the “intelligences” of the day in matters of the Scriptures. Why do you think Saul (Paul) hate the first church and murdered many of them.. The Holy Spirit in them is the Power not they of themselves.

It is there for all who truly want to know…. even for an 8 year old. Trust God to help you interpret the Scriptures for your self... Then you will be free indeed (John 8:32,36)!

Take the challenge and see for your self..

http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2009/04/take-gospel-of-john-challenge.html


158 posted on 04/10/2010 2:48:27 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
FRiend, read the gospel of John for your self and put aside all of your opinions and read it objectively and see if you come up with the same reasoning as you have been taught.

Thank you, I have. And I find myself actually trending more to the Church interpretation than what I formerly held as a lousily catechized young man. It is in John that we find Scriptural proofs of such things as the divinity of Jesus. It is in John that we find the extreme sacrifice of Jesus in His Passion.

God kept it simple for humanity knowing that we would always try to interject ourselves into it.

If you read the Gospels closely, you will find that Jesus put his major efforts into teaching the Apostles. Not in writings, and not even in making every speech understandable to the crowds at large, or sometimes even the Apostles specifically. Scripture is not to be read by the untutored. The lesson of the eunuch tells us that.

The Apostles were... Ignorant fishermen

Some of them were. Some, like Paul and Matthew were highly educated and very knowledgeable.

the elites of that day distained them because they could pistol whip any of the “intelligences” of the day in matters of the Scriptures.

They were speaking more specifically of Peter. There is much doubt as to whether Peter actually wrote 1 and 2 Peter at all. I rather doubt it myself.

Why do you think Saul (Paul) hate the first church and murdered many of them.

He was most probably a Pharisee, from Tarsus, and took a dim view of this strange cult coming from the Jerusalem area. The same view that the Council of Jamnia had of Christians in 90AD.

The Holy Spirit in them is the Power not they of themselves.

The fruits that we speak of indicate that those who oppose the Church that Jesus Christ created and the Holy Spirit commissioned are not powered by the Holy Spirit, but rather by the lord of this world.

It is there for all who truly want to know

Yes. The Church is everywhere in the world and available for everyone who seeks God.

Trust God to help you interpret the Scriptures for your self

But Scripture tells us not to interpret Scripture individually. In this you go against the word of God.

Take the challenge and see for your self..

You may wish to read John 5:39 again. You will find that it means far different from the context that you have posted this verse on your blog challenge. If you give up rebellion and come back to the Church, you will find Jesus as He meant you to find Him. The Prodigal Son thought that he knew it all, too.

164 posted on 04/10/2010 3:57:24 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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