Skip to comments.Q&A: Understanding the Priest Scandal (Pedophilia occurs more frequently in Protestant Churches)
Posted on 04/09/2010 7:24:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
click here to read article
This is not worthy of discussion civil or dirty. And you know it.
i was referring to the quote you provided that said 10% of protestant preachers had engaged in sexual misconduct, and 2-3% in pedophilia. That was the quote you provided.
This other quote is clearly also a misunderstanding.
BTW, while I believe the 1.7% number for Catholics, as it says they were FOUND GUILTY, I don’t believe that 10% of protestant preachers have ben FOUND GUILTY, I think there was a survey and the answers suggested 10% were guilty.
I mistrust surveys, because you never know how many pastors might look on a woman with lust, and claim they are “guilty of sexual misconduct”. Heck, some might answer that way for browsing online pornography, or kissing a woman from their church in a moment of weakness.
I’m certainly not saying that it is impossible that 2-3% of protestant ministers could be found guilty of pedophilia, just that it is obvious that hasn’t happened.
Because, as you noted in post 25, there are 600,000 pastors, which would suggest that there were 12,000 CONVICTIONS for pedophilia, and there’s no way the mainstream media doesn’t have ONE guilty verdict in the papers every single day for the next 20 years.
Then don’t discuss it and go to another thread.
I am asking you to pull this on the grounds that it is solely posted to cause distension and discord.
I was unaware of that.
Obviously you are not Episcopalian or ELCA or...
The article you cited did not state that 10% of protestant ministers have been convicted of pedophilia. So I ask you one more time to please correct the lie you told.
May want to go check with headquarters, chris. This is RCC doctrine that no one around here would care to make up, even if they could. Those of us outside of the Roman organization continuously point out these errors with the intention of informing those willing and able to listen. Run, don't walk from Rome.
I don’t think they qualify as protestant churches anymore. Don’t you have to be Christian first?
Why no mention of the Muslims? They are all slimy little peter puffers and corn holers anyway. It’s endorsed by their mullahs and not considered abberant behavior.
No you are wrong and it is not RC doctrine. You display such a deep bigotry hope God forgives you for that!
They were Christian first. The rubble of the Reformation took care of that. They are still Protestant churches, as as are the Presbyterians and Reformed (although only a tiny fraction of their congregations or clergy are still Calvinists). The vast majority (I believe that the figure is between 94% and 97%) of formerly Calvinist denominations in terms of congregants are no longer Calvinist. I have an engineer working for me that is faithful Dutch Congregational. We we talking about Calvin one day and he shuddered. No Calvinism anywhere at his church or those that they associate with.
There are still some left (I believe that I saw my friend Dutch on this thread), and I would like to ask his perspective on the Anglicans, the ELCA, the Methodists, and the formerly Calvinist Presbyterian and other denominations which are swirling down the doctrinal toilet.
The hard thing for many Protestants to get is the idea of the Eucharist and the Holy Spirit acting through the priest. The idea that many of them have is some sort of puffed up little god substitute, which is easier to believe since Vatican II has the priest facing the congregation.
Whereas, in ad orientam fashion, the priest faces God along with the rest of the people (like the Jewish priests), the priest is anonymous. The vestments further enhance that anonymity. It doesn't matter which individual is celebrating Mass.
The Protestant fashion, especially in those further away from the Church is to have a Vegas style entertainer. But the purpose of the Mass is worship, not entertainment or mob emotion like in many megachurches.
The whole deal with the alter Christus or in persona Christus is that the priest asks God to perform the particular sacrament, and through him as the human vessel, not responsible for any of the miraculous. Only God is. We believe that God will never desert us and will provide His Grace to us as often as we ask Him.
But this, and articles like this, are a bit childish. Both sides are saying “Well, I am not as bad as that OTHER guy!”. That does not address the problem, but is a weak attempt to shift the blame. This article paints a very broad brush. If I had posted one that was reversed, many Catholic FReepers would be very upset and not a few would claim that I was either attacking the Catholic Church or stupid.
The fact is that there were many cases of priests having improper conduct with young males (and a few with women). There were some who appear to have been protected by various members of the Catholic hierarchy. Most Catholics, and just about all on FR, will agree to that.
As to what the current Pope is doing or has done to remedy that, by all accounts he is not going very easy on the poofters. In fact, if the UK does grab him this fall, I suspect that Hate Speech (or the equivalent) will be one of the charges.
The rather interesting legal question, which the Vatican brought up the other day, is what exactly is the Catholic Church in general and the office of the Pope in particular. Now in the the US, there is no legal body called "The Roman Catholic Church", any more than there is one called the "Lutheran Church Missouri Synod". Both are made up of a series of legal corporations that include the diocese/district on down to the local parishes. Which is why when the Davenport diocese went bankrupt a few years ago, the courts could not start seizing assets from the local congregations. For under the law they are separate, distinct, corporations.
The interesting thing is that creates some problems when it comes to authority. The claims being made are that the Pope, being the "Head of the Church" is responsible for the conduct of the various bishops, monks, and priests that make up the Catholic Church. Which makes theological sense. The problem is that those bishops, priests, and monks are not legally part of the same corporation. Like the case of the parish in St. Louis that did not want to close down, the bishop (or pope) has no legal authority over another corporation. I have seen cases in the LCMS where the LCMS head body had to state, in court, that a pastor and parish was not part of the LCMS, because of some loans going into default (the parish was poor, and was in the process of merging with another).
The other complicating issue is that the Vatican said that the Pope, as a head of state, is granted Sovereign immunity. Which he is, as the head of the Vatican. But that begs the question if his authority over the Catholic Church is theological, or for lack of a better term, regal. Is the Catholic Church a State, or a corporation, or a religion.
Sorry for the rant. This is proof why you should never drink with a lawyer.
If you prefer non-contentious threads, look for Religion Forum threads labeled "devotional" "prayer" "caucus" or "ecumenical."
Don’t know. I myself know some faithful Anglicans, but many are swimming the Tiber.
The issue is less between the Church and the old guard Protestants, but between the progressives and the conservatives.
“I do not for one moment believe that ANY group, except maybe NAMBLA, has a 10% pedophilia rate!!”
Teachers per the DoE.
The left has it in for the Pope because he’s appointing conservative bishops. He’s upsetting the applecart they planned and executed a few decades ago. It’s really that simple. What’s not so simple are conservative Protestants supporting these leftists as evident on this and other threads. And yes Protestants have a huge problem with pedophilia though teachers have the worst stats of all.
Open to bash the hell out of each other. Gotcha.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.