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Nazis Were First to Exploit Pedophile Priests to Attack Entire Catholic Church
Life Site ^ | April 23. 2010 | Matthew Cullinan Hoffman

Posted on 04/23/2010 1:25:04 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Good people in a free society are so easily deceived and the Left are the masters of deception.

How right you are! Many dine on a constant diet of 24 hour mainstream media. Others ingest whatever the local rag has printed, as gospel truth. Sadly far too many Americans have forgotten how to think for themselves. They rely on Oprah's guest for advice or simply pick up the "sound bites" and then switch to ESPN to watch their favorite sports program. When threads like this appear, they spout whatever vicissitude they were fed that day.

An uprising like the Tea Party Movement is our best chance.

Agreed! We need to retake our nation before it is too late.

Thanks for the post and ping! Enjoyed your comments very much.

41 posted on 04/23/2010 3:11:07 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Persevero
That said, the truth is the Nazis of old and the anti-Catholics of today couldn’t be getting all this leverage out of this issue if the RC hierarchy hadn’t handled the abuse and allegations so poorly.

See my post #10.

42 posted on 04/23/2010 3:14:52 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: unspun

“I think there are numerous lessons of history, to be learned here.”

Yup, one which the Church hopefully learns this time around: DON’T cover for pedophile priests. That openned up this line of attack for both the Nazis and today’s LSM!

Unfortunately, people being people, they’ll probably have to be re-taught in 3 to 4 generations again. It’s sadly human nature...


43 posted on 04/23/2010 3:20:43 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: JesusIsLord

If your hypotheses were true, the Church would have had a higher rate of pedophilia than other churches and similar organizations. It doesn’t (see link upthread about the spotlight leaving others in the dark). Celibacy is a red herring.

Homosexuality, on the other hand, most definitely isn’t. Even Kinsey’s /spit stats show that, as do numerous other studies.


44 posted on 04/23/2010 3:24:54 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: newguy357
Gee, it would be a lot easier to not have its priests being accused of being pedophiles if they actually worked to get rid of the ones that were. Just a thought....

You're right ... these priests should have been removed sooner. However, it is absolutely wrong to place the burden on Pope Benedict XVI. He is not responsible. He did nothing wrong. The majority of these cases took place decades ago and the offenders are either dead or close to it.

I would also suggest that you follow the money trail here. Who stands to gain from these lawsuits? The Wall Street Journal offered a brief but informative portrait of Jeffrey Anderson, the Minnesota-based trial lawyer "who's filed thousands of suits against the church in recent years, making tens of millions for his clients along the way." Anderson-- who has made ample fees for himself in the process-- is now a regular source of quotes for journalists joining in the criticism of the Pontiff.

An AP story claimed that only 20% of reported abuse cases result in full canonical trials. The truth is that in most cases, disciplinary measures are imposed without a full trial. As prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), then-Cardinal Ratzinger pressed for vigorous action and authorized diocesan bishops to proceed with their own disciplinary action.

Most people are of the misunderstanding that the Catholic Church is set up like an organization with the pope serving as CEO. Nothing could be farther from reality. Each bishop is responsible for his own diocese and makes all the decisions. The pope is not advised on these matters.

What makes the Catholic Church a good target of attack is its meticulous record keeping. These same offenses occur far more frequently in a free society with no centrality. Recently, an Albany NY rabbi was arrested on child sex abuse charges. You no doubt read about this in the NY Times (/sarc). Rabbi takes plea deal

45 posted on 04/23/2010 3:27:35 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Alex Murphy

Great post!


46 posted on 04/23/2010 3:31:03 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: Mariner

Just about every corrupt secular nation. Islam-ruled nations. Sadly, allegedly the Boy Scouts on occassion (which is what makes the leftist push to have gay scout leaders so repugnant - they just want to be able to demonize the Scouts more when more pedophilia happens). Some in Congress.

But to my main point (instead of your narrow strawman), see NYer’s #10 above: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2499240/posts?page=10#10


47 posted on 04/23/2010 3:36:16 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: Mariner

Just about every corrupt secular nation. Islam-ruled nations. Sadly, allegedly the Boy Scouts on occassion (which is what makes the leftist push to have gay scout leaders so repugnant - they just want to be able to demonize the Scouts more when more pedophilia happens). Some in Congress.

But to my main point (instead of your narrow strawman), see NYer’s #10 above: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2499240/posts?page=10#10


48 posted on 04/23/2010 3:36:18 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: NYer
The RCC needs to clean their mess up with this issue. It is unbelievable this has been allowed to go on for so long and so widely.
It talks away form the credibility of the entire organization.
Catch the offenders and shoot them on the spot.
49 posted on 04/23/2010 3:39:29 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Chairman Mao was a community organizer)
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To: netmilsmom
The priest in California was turned over to the cops. And what happened? The guy got three years probation. The notion has got abroad that the civil authorities forty or fifty years age were avidly trying to suppress child abuse, when the fact was that there was little of that. Only the worst of cases got attention. Furthermore, what the priest did was pretty common in that locale. The main different was who did it. As exemplary citizens priests were commonly given the same sort of break received by an alderman caught in a vice squad trap, or the physician who beat his wife. "Round up the usual suspects" was the basis--IS the basis of most police work--and politicians. priests and ministers et al, do not fall into that category. The police tend to operate more or less like the IRS: a congressman who misreports on his condo in the Virgin Islands gets a pass; the waitress who does not report her tips, gets audited.
50 posted on 04/23/2010 3:40:08 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Mariner

Sorry for the double post. Have no idea why my blackberry does that sometimes...


51 posted on 04/23/2010 3:40:38 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: Guyin4Os
So now you are comparing pedo priests to abortuaries. I wouldn't go so far as to say what the priests did is as bad as aborting a baby.

You apparently missed the point of the article ... perhaps you did not bother to even read it. These girls became pregnant as the result of sexual abuse. It is the legal responsibility of the abortion clinic to report these cases to local authorities. They did not!.

52 posted on 04/23/2010 3:41:12 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: JesusIsLord; irishlass
The RC church’s requirement that priests not marry has created the perfect sanctuary for homosexuals.

Celibacy has nothing to do with this. Were that so, then you would not find these problems in non-Catholic denominations.

Sex Abuse of Children by Protestant Clergy.

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Rabbi takes plea deal- He admits having inappropriate physical contact with 2 boys

53 posted on 04/23/2010 3:45:05 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer
What makes the Catholic Church a good target of attack is its meticulous record keeping. These same offenses occur far more frequently in a free society with no centrality. Recently, an Albany NY rabbi was arrested on child sex abuse charges. You no doubt read about this in the NY Times (/sarc). Rabbi takes plea deal The public schools are harder target, if only because after a teacher leaves a district, his personnel file is purged. Usually, the only information kept are the bare facts of his employment. Often union rules require a purging of reports of misbehavior after a certain period of time. Sexual indiscretions are usually handled by requesting the offender to leave.
54 posted on 04/23/2010 3:47:39 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: NYer

The high percentage of gay and pedophile priests suggest that the Church should be criticized, if not attacked, regardless of what the Nazis did.


55 posted on 04/23/2010 3:49:04 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: NYer

The protestant prejudice against monasticism coms to the fore again.


56 posted on 04/23/2010 3:51:38 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: NYer

There are a few useful idiots who post thread after thread about this subject that would make Herr Goebbels proud.


57 posted on 04/23/2010 3:52:01 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: FTJM

The number of gay priests is certainly higher than it was before. But why criticize the Church for this when society in general is so sympathetic to gays? Answer: they want the Church to drop its opposition to homosexuality. More than that, they the Church entirely to abandon traditional sexual morality, based on the idea that chastity is the desirable norm.


58 posted on 04/23/2010 3:57:23 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: RobbyS

The other thing to remember is that handling of such crises is not necessarily part of a bishop’s training. Or it wasn’t. It is now and if you watched Bishop Stika’s press conference from last week you would see what proper crisis PR is. We’re seeing the back end of a learning curve, that’s for sure.


59 posted on 04/23/2010 4:00:27 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: RobbyS
The Nazis were masters of public relations and during the 1920s and ‘30s expertly used the media to condition the public to their ideas.

Actually, pretty much just the 30's. The all-time ultimate classic PR text is Propaganda by Edward Bernays and it wasn't published until 1928. Then Bernays actually went to Germany and trained Goebbels, a move he later very much regretted. PR developed VERY quickly as an arm of marketing and message control. Ivy Lee didn't develop the messaging for the Rockefellers until about 1914.

The Nazis papers were well done, and employed techniques developed by Pulitzer and Hearst, to sensationalize the news.

More Hearst than Pulitzer.

But, yes, the fascists, no matter where they were, went after the Church with a vengeance. Still happening. Same half truths and leaving out details to make the story more titillating. It's a pure matter of exploiting a scandal, which is why we're supposed to avoid them in the first place.

60 posted on 04/23/2010 4:08:56 PM PDT by Desdemona (I hate acronyms. SPELL IT OUT!)
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