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To: RobbyS

Yes, and to the extent any of them did (and some did so in rather minor ways and others in more significant ways), they did wrong. I already said that. But do not forget that Roman popes had been interfering grossly and directly with secular government and raw politics for centuries before the Reformation (think Crusades, for one example).

But, again, the point is that Christ gave the church one thing to do and earthly government another thing to do. When one presumes to do the other’s work, watch out!


98 posted on 04/29/2010 9:57:10 PM PDT by Belteshazzar
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To: Belteshazzar

The popes were engaged for several centuries in keeping the secular authority from gaining control of the Church. That would be from the late 10th to the 13th Century the Holy Roman Emperor. Thereafter the national kings. As for the Crusades, this was the pope’s response to the Turkish threat to the Byzantine Empire. In the last quarter of the 11th Century, what is now Turkey was overrun by the Muslim Turks and Constantinople itself was threatened. The Byzantine Emperor asked the pope for help, and he preached the first Crusade. It did take the political pressure off from the Church, which was threatened by the Normans who had taken control of Sicily and who were also ambitious to gain pieces of Greece. The pope was the main organizer of resistence to the Muslims.


100 posted on 04/29/2010 10:10:23 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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