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To: TaraP
Would a parent give a *Blood Transfusion* to save their child? Would a human being die to save their child..?

Do animals kill anyone who tries to hurt there babies? even if it is prey taking on a predator?

What you are discribing is martyrdom. When a person is give their live to save a child or stranger, that is honorable and a G-d accpts that.

But a mother giving her kidney to a child and dying in the process is NOT a sin sacrifice, and not a sacrifice for all mankind, for all time. That is what G-d forbids. G-d says we are each responsible for our OWN sins. Personal responsibility! A very conservative idea at that!

541 posted on 07/06/2010 7:09:05 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: blasater1960

What you are discribing is martyrdom...No that is dying for a cause...

I am describing sacrafice for *Love*..:)

Yes personal responsibility definetly...
Jesus is not a *E* ticket....of course he still wants us to follow the Law, it’s just that the law is not *Key* to salvation, it is *Key* to guidance and devotion to the authority of G-D...

Have you read the *Origin of the World* manuscripts found in Egyptian Caves around the time they discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls?

It is wild...It is about the world and universe before the first humans and how Chaos evolved...
G-D is referred to *Prime Creator*
Lucifer/Satan as *Prime Parent*

I will send you the link, and if you want it is a fascinating read, wether it’s accurate I don’t know but I read it a couple times, and each time it makes a bit more sense to me...


542 posted on 07/06/2010 7:24:22 PM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: blasater1960
Here is the Link... After the natural structure of the immortal beings had completely developed out of the infinite, a likeness then emanated from Pistis (Faith); it is called Sophia (Wisdom). It exercised volition and became a product resembling the primeval light. And immediately her will manifested itself as a likeness of heaven, having an unimaginable magnitude; it was between the immortal beings and those things that came into being after them, like [...]: she (Sophia) functioned as a veil dividing mankind from the things above. Now the eternal realm (aeon) of truth has no shadow outside it, for the limitless light is everywhere within it. But its exterior is shadow, which has been called by the name 'darkness'. From it, there appeared a force, presiding over the darkness. And the forces that came into being subsequent to them called the shadow 'the limitless chaos'. From it, every kind of divinity sprouted up [...] together with the entire place, so that also, shadow is posterior to the first product. It was the abyss that it (shadow) appeared, deriving from the aforementioned Pistis. http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html
543 posted on 07/06/2010 7:26:02 PM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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