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How did Jacob see *GOD* Face to Face? Genesis 32:30
Vanity | July 5th, 2010 | TaraP

Posted on 07/05/2010 11:10:25 AM PDT by TaraP

Genesis 32:30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."

GENESIS 32:28-31

And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast revailed. And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said: Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name?

And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel (Pineal): for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. And as he passed over Peniel (Pineal) the sun rose upon him, and halted upon his thigh."

Was Jacob seeing GOD through his *Pineal Gland*

The Pineal Gland is about the size of a pea, and is in the center of the brain in a tiny cave, behind and above the pituitary gland, which lies a little behind the root of the nose. It is located directly behind the eyes, attached to the third ventricle.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: jacob; pinealgland
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1 posted on 07/05/2010 11:10:27 AM PDT by TaraP
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2 posted on 07/05/2010 11:11:33 AM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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The *Eye* of GOD in the *Cosmos*
3 posted on 07/05/2010 11:13:11 AM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: TaraP

Scripture tells us that Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE. That literally means that they met FACE TO FACE. Any other attempt to interpret is blasphemy.


4 posted on 07/05/2010 11:16:52 AM PDT by Greenbow (Trust in God.)
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To: TaraP

LUKE 17:20

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Our *Pineal Gland*


5 posted on 07/05/2010 11:17:53 AM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: TaraP
Jacob saw a theophany. It was Jesus Christ, the same as appeared to Abraham and others. God is spirit and the Spirit is spirit but Christ is the only one of the Trinity that can be seen in a man form.
6 posted on 07/05/2010 11:17:59 AM PDT by fish hawk (Hussein Obama: Golf/Gulf, not very good at either.)
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To: Greenbow

I wonder, does he prefer electric, or straight razor?


7 posted on 07/05/2010 11:18:09 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: TaraP
Was Jacob seeing GOD through his *Pineal Gland*

Are you serious?

8 posted on 07/05/2010 11:18:35 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("What is your only comfort, in life and death?" "That I an not my own, but belong, body and soul...")
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To: Greenbow

I don’t think Face to Face in Genesis meant 2 people standing in front of one another...


9 posted on 07/05/2010 11:20:31 AM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: TaraP
"...saw God face to face"

Could also be interpreted as "directly confronted God" or "Had a direct encounter with God"

10 posted on 07/05/2010 11:20:52 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Lee N. Field

Yes..because that is how we signal the Holy Spirit through prayer...


11 posted on 07/05/2010 11:21:42 AM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: TaraP

Scripture is not meant to be interpreted. It is meant to be believed.


12 posted on 07/05/2010 11:23:25 AM PDT by Greenbow (Trust in God.)
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To: Lee N. Field

Jesus said *The Kingdom of GOD* is within us...(And outside of us) so that should be telling us a part of our body is connecting to the Holy SPirit of GOD...

Brain and Heart....

Jesus said *Let those who have ears to hear*..(hear..T)


13 posted on 07/05/2010 11:25:20 AM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: TaraP
"I don’t think Face to Face in Genesis meant 2 people standing in front of one another..."

But that's what a literal translation really says. The Hebrew word translated as face, "lipnay" literally means "in front of". The two were in front of each other, or, facing one another. Or a direct confrontation or encounter.

14 posted on 07/05/2010 11:28:16 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Greenbow

“Scripture tells us that Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE. That literally means that they met FACE TO FACE. Any other attempt to interpret is blasphemy.”

The hand of God is huge! So is his nose!


15 posted on 07/05/2010 11:28:49 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: TaraP

I lament at the silliness in which one engages when one equates the sound of a word in one language, Hebrew, with the meaning of a word in another, English.


16 posted on 07/05/2010 11:29:29 AM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: circlecity

Okay...I am not trying to re-interpet the meaning of *Face to Face, as in front of means he saw with his *Eyes* and our Pineal Gland is what prompts us to prayer and connecting to the *Holy Spirit* if we do not pray how do we connect with G-D?


17 posted on 07/05/2010 11:32:49 AM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: Guyin4Os

No..When should we stop learning about G-D? does he not want us to test all things? seek his wisdom? his knowledge?
pray, read scripture?

Jesus said: Let those have ears to hear..hear...When did he say we should stop hearing?


18 posted on 07/05/2010 11:35:44 AM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: Greenbow

Scripture was written in Hebrew and Greek. At a minimum, someone has to translate it before we can understand it. Translation involves interpretation.


19 posted on 07/05/2010 11:41:19 AM PDT by maro (One term is enough)
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To: Quix; blasater1960; Star Traveler; Zionist Conspirator

Do you all have any thoughts on this scripture?

More about the *Pineal Gland*

When we retire to bed at night, the pineal gland releases a hormone called melatonin which causes drowsiness and thus causes the five physical senses to close down for the night. When the five senses close down they stop sending electrochemical signals to the brain, so the conscious mind temporarily shuts down until we wake up again. When this happens, our mind switches to the unconscious area of the brain — the cerebellum, and the third eye/pineal gland...


20 posted on 07/05/2010 11:42:09 AM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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