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Posted on 07/06/2010 6:54:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
we are told to put on the whole armour of God. You don't go to a tea-party with armour on. This is a spiritual battle going on, you know this. There is a time to be quiet and listen. And there is a time to stand strong with truth and the sword of the spirit, which is the Word of God.
I think that is an incorrect way of putting it.
Did Paul waste his time trying to be all things to all people in order that he might save some?
The Boardwalk fries with malt vinegar on ‘em.
So to answer your question, both.
Nice summary.
These verses clearly outline acting in anger (a key motivation you didn't mention).
Yes, I was going to highlight verses 19 and 20, but decided against it.
I have had those two verses printed out in large bold print and hung on the wall in my office over my computer for several years now. Those two verses are what lead me to research the whole topic of indiscreet zeal.
Amen. There are real dangers of wolves in sheep’s clothing and the petty divisions I am seeing on this thread are angering. We have bigger fish to fry (the wolves).
Is it the Awful Anglicans? The Beastly Baptists? The Crummy Catholics? The Evil Evangelicals? The Messy Methodists? The No-good Nondenominationals? The Putrid Presbyterians? The Rotten Reformed?
Or is The Enemy elsewhere? Is, perhaps, The Enemy even the author of the many divisions in the Body of Christ?
I heard Mother Angela say that none of us can understand scripture until we die..
I suspect you misrepresent what Mother Angela actually said, or at least meant. I doubt she was suggesting that it is impossible for humans to understand Scripture until they die; rather, I think you and she probably agree on such matters as the use of the gifts of God to discern the meaning of Scripture; even if not fully, at least with increased understanding over time.
BUT the scriptures are clear to one that studies and prays and meditates on Gods word.
The evidence does not support this assertion. There are a lot of folks who disagree on various passages, despite the fact that their differing views on Scripture were formed honestly, through study, prayer, and meditation on God's word. As an example, even such Protestant giants as Luther and Calvin strongly disagreed on the matter of the Real Presence in the Lord's Supper.
In any case, your assertion that Scripture is "clear" to those who study and pray, is directly at odds with your statement that "NO ONE can infallibly interpret scripture."
The inability to have complete understanding is not an excuse not to trust the indwelling Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth and pick up our Bibles and read
But by the same token, that same inability to have complete understanding brings to light the danger of trying to define on an individual basis what constitutes Christian truth. It is simply not adequate for each of us to pick up our Bibles and come up with our own answers, hoping for the best.
There still needs to be a way to resolve the disputes that inevitably arise; and as to that, ArrogantBustard put it so much better than I could.....
But I'm not talking about Mormons. I'm talking about people like you.
I am saying I have seen both on here and elsewhere.
It was a local (Delaware) thing that I was “educated” on. It may have been that person’s preference. They weren’t bad, but not my preference. The Old Bay seasoning probably helped a bit.
My point was that Jesus was ‘offensive’ at times. And with good reason. There is no point in softening the truth to the point of it being ineffective.
As to the rest of your post, I agree. That in no way changes the fact that when you speak the truth, even in love, someone WILL be offended, if for not other reason then they don’t like what you are saying. I see it all the time on these threads and in witnessing to people on the the streets. Most people want to be ‘left alone’ and the Gospel of Christ can be VERY uncomfortable.
May God grant that ALL religious discussion on this forum, even (perhaps especially) in "Open" thread ... be likewise marked by a spirit of honesty, integrity, faith, hope, and charity.
And the number of LDS denominations is 125 and counting .....
LOL! Cop out!
I should feel humilated because I thought you were Catholic? oh, o.k. I'm sorry I thought you were Catholic. Better?
There's no point in my trying to penetrate your armor of self-righteousness in a vain attempt to point out the details of your humiliation. Perhaps God can do it.
Who said that? You put it in quotes. You have a link?
Again, my fight is NOT with other members of the Body of Christ (and I do consider Catholics to be Christians).
My fight is with the pseudo-Christian groups claiming to be Christians, specifically the one I used to be a member of.
Most of what you listed I do not consider ‘salvific’ (make or break) doctrines, nor do most Christians I know.
I can barely do vegetables at all. I really need to work on it. They do have some good qualities. When it comes to cuisine I like New Mexican-style Mexican food most of all. It requires lettuce, tomatoes, onions and chile peppers which forces me to admit that veggies aren’t all bad.
Not according to Catholics.
Phew. . . . there's hope for you yet :)
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