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To: Godzilla
Hmmmm, why then is the phrase "Lying for the Lord" so tightly linked to mormons.

Linked by whom? The only ones I have known to use the phrase are enemies of the LDS church. I have never known Latter-day Saints to use it, much less recommend it.

604 posted on 07/06/2010 7:12:53 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: Logophile; Godzilla

I have never known Latter-day Saints to use it[lying for the Lord], much less recommend it.

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I have. Scriptural support is found in the Book of Abraham: Chapter 2 where GOD COMMANDS ABRAHAM TO LIE! And it certainly has been practiced by your church and leaders.

22 And it came to pass when I was come near to enter into Egypt, the Lord asaid unto me: Behold, Sarai, thy wife, is a very fair woman to look upon;
23 Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see her, they will say—She is his wife; and they will kill you, but they will save her alive; therefore see that ye do on this wise:
24 Let her say unto the Egyptians, she is thy sister, and thy soul shall live.
25 And it came to pass that I, Abraham, told Sarai, my wife, all that the Lord had said unto me—Therefore say unto them, I pray thee, thou art my asister, that it may be well with me for thy sake, and my soul shall live because of thee.


610 posted on 07/06/2010 7:24:29 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Logophile
 
Linked by whom? The only ones I have known to use the phrase are enemies of the LDS church. I have never known Latter-day Saints to use it, much less recommend it.
 
Lying by OMISSION?

 
 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."    <---  and this is NOT a lie?

716 posted on 07/07/2010 7:20:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Logophile
Linked by whom? The only ones I have known to use the phrase are enemies of the LDS church. I have never known Latter-day Saints to use it, much less recommend it.

Oh really logos. Fact of the matter is even apostle Oaks (1993) admits that mormons refer to this BY NAME -

Some have suggested that it is morally permissible to lie to promote a good cause. For example, some Mormons have taught or implied that lying is okay if you are lying for the Lord. . . . . As far as concerns our own church and culture, the most common allegations of lying for the Lord swirl around the initiation, practice, and discontinuance of polygamy.

He then goes on to justify it. Then he becomes conflicted and recants. Guess he just can't get it out of his system. He admits to the mormon practice BY NAME Logos.

The whole 'milk before meat' schick - Packer ("The Mantle is Far, Far Greater Than The Intellect") commented ". The scriptures teach emphatically that we must give milk before meat. The Lord made it very clear that some things are to be taught selectively and some things are to be given only to those who are worthy." So don't tell the "whole truth" if it would lead anyone to doubt the claims of mormonism. Yet this is exactly what mormons do - right logos - tell half truths. Here is a prime example -

Time interview on August, 1997 Hinkley said:

"Q: Just another related question that comes up is the statements in the King Follett discourse by the Prophet. "Hinckley: Yeah

"Q: ... about that, God the Father was once a man as we were. This is something that Christian writers are always addressing. Is this the teaching of the church today, that God the Father was once a man like we are?

"Hinckley: I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it. But I don't know a lot about it and I don't know that others know a lot about it." (Time Magazine original transcript, Aug 4, 1997)

Come on logos - lying for the lord? Bob Millet continues to encourage the practice to missionaries even today.

740 posted on 07/07/2010 7:51:43 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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