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Testimony of a Former Irish Priest
BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

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To: Quix

Of course you’re right. Most RCs think Protestant worship services are more like bingo night.

Oh, wait. That’s RC, isn’t it?


3,301 posted on 07/29/2010 9:47:07 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: don-o; Mad Dawg; Quix
"Pretentious and patently delusional puffery. But since 99.99% of the poster’s contributions consist of nothing but negation and ridicule, not at all surprising."

However, the multi-colored spew does once again confirm that if you can remember the 60's you weren't really there.

3,302 posted on 07/29/2010 9:47:27 AM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Deo volente

Therein lies the contradiction of protestantism.

Accuse Catholics of not using Scripture to support their beliefs.

Then when Scripture is used, claim that the interpretation is a construct of Rome, a false church and therefore a false interpretation.

The different sects within Protestantism is like the Tower of Bable in the OT, in that, there is so much babbling going on that the truth is lost in the cacophony and the central point becomes a need to disprove rather than edify.


3,303 posted on 07/29/2010 9:51:00 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Cronos
For men to imbue earthly material with supernatural abilities is satanic. It's witchcraft. Superstition. Blasphemy against God who is Spirit and life.

Rome is regressive. Turn around.

3,304 posted on 07/29/2010 9:51:28 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix; wagglebee; Mad Dawg; NYer; narses
Matching some prissy hollow hypocritical phoney RELIGIOUS law sort of criteria of major idolators and blasphemers is not an exercise that seems remotely reasonable or fruitful, to me.

This sentence is not even grammatical, but I get the point. Just another gratuitous insult of Catholics..."idolators and blasphemers:...you're talking about Catholics, right?

The vast majority of your posts contain gratuitous and vicious attacks on Catholics. Highly inappropriate for the Religion forum at Free Republic, in my opinion.
3,305 posted on 07/29/2010 9:52:43 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Natural Law
There is no shame for actions and positions taken in the search for the truth, even when one is publicly wrong in the process.

Well put. The room for discussion in the Church is far more than in the groupings where they split over whether Pastor Joe gives coffee or tea with his biscuits
3,306 posted on 07/29/2010 9:52:57 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

LOL

INDEED.


3,307 posted on 07/29/2010 9:56:39 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Jvette
"The different sects within Protestantism is like the Tower of Bable in the OT,..."

The only thing Protestantism agrees on is its opposition to all things Catholic. It is the root of its identity. To concede that the Church is in anyway right or correct diminishes both their collective identity and reason for existence and their self importance.

The many thousands of denominations, schisms, and break aways reminds of an old joke. Protestants always need two congregations; the one they are going to this week and the one they wouldn't set foot in.

3,308 posted on 07/29/2010 9:57:07 AM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; wagglebee
Nice try, but not answering wagglebee's question: So, how about you provide me with a link to a SINGLE OPC church that is still in operation that shows where they have a Gospel reading EACH week at their Sunday service (remember, we are talking about an actual service, not a Bible study).

Which OPC place says this? The link you gave was to the Redeemer Presbyterian Church which is a stand-alone church.

But isn't it the truth that no OPC (Ortho PResbyterian C) has Gospel readings EACH week at their Sunday service.
3,309 posted on 07/29/2010 9:57:24 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Mad Dawg
Truth.

3,310 posted on 07/29/2010 10:00:24 AM PDT by Global2010 (Congratulations to Dware for the FR Mussel Eating Fundraisor.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; wagglebee; dsc; Mad Dawg; narses
Can you believe this? wagglebee asks Dr. E if any OPC church reads the Gospel EACH week. He emphasises OPC

And the response he gets is with a link to the Redeemer Presbyterian Church, a NON-OPC church.

Sheesh.
3,311 posted on 07/29/2010 10:00:45 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Global2010

What icon is that? Who wrote it and when? Unusual to see only part of peoples heads in the background.


3,312 posted on 07/29/2010 10:04:20 AM PDT by don-o (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; MarkBsnr
Oh, yes, thank you, I am vaguely aware of the long road +Augustine took until he came to The Church. And since you hold him as a fascinating character, no doubt you agree with his works as here quoted by MArkbsnr

"We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church which is Catholic, and which is called Catholic not only by her members but even by all her enemies. For when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, willy-nilly they call her nothing else but Catholic. For they would not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs in her regard." The True Religion, 7,12, 397 A.D.

"This Church is Holy, the One Church, the True Church, the Catholic Church, fighting as she does against all heresies. She can fight, but she cannot be beaten. All heresies are expelled from her, like the useless loppings pruned from a vine. She remains fixed in her root, in her vine, in her love. The gates of hell shall not conquer her." Sermon to Catechumens, on the Creed, 6,14, 395 A.D.

"But in regard to those observances which we carefully attend and which the whole world keeps, and which derive not from Scripture but from tradition, we are given to understand that they are recommended and ordained to be kept either by the Apostles themselves or by plenary Councils, the authority of which is quite vital to the Church." Letter to Januarius 54,1,1, 400 A.D.

"I believe that this practice comes from apostolic tradition, just as so many other practices not found in their writings nor in the councils of their successors, but which, because they are kept by the whole Church everywhere, are believed to have been commended and handed down by the Apostles themselves." Baptism 1,12,20, 400 A.D.

"Before His suffering the Lord Jesus Christ, as you know, chose His disciples, whom He called Apostles. Among these Apostles almost everywhere Peter alone merited to represent the whole Church. For the sake of his representing the whole Church, which he alone could do, he merited to hear, I will give you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven (Matt 16:19)." Sermons 295,2, 391 A.D.

"Since by Christ's favor we are Catholic Christians:" Letter to Vitalis, 217,5,16, 427 A.D.

"By the same word, by the same Sacrament you were born, but you will not come to the same inheritance of eternal life, unless you return to the Catholic Church." Sermons, 3, 391 A.D.

"Tell us straight out that you do not believe in the Gospel of Christ; for you believe what you want in the Gospel and disbelieve what you want. You believe in yourself rather than in the Gospel." Against Faustus, 17, 3, 400 A.D.

"Adam sleeps that Eve may be formed; Christ dies that the Church may be formed. Eve is formed from the side of the sleeping Adam; the side of the dead Christ is pierced by the lance, so that the Sacraments may flow out, of which the Church is formed." Homilies on the Gospel of John, 9,10, 416 A.D.

"What the soul is to man's body, the Holy Spirit is to the Body of Christ, which is the Church. The Holy Spirit does in the whole Church what the soul does in all members of one body. But see what you must beware of, see what you must take note of, see what you must fear. It happens that in the human body, or rather, off the body, some member, whether hand, finger, or foot, may be cut away. And if a member be cut off, does the soul go with it? When the member was in the body, it lived; and off, its life is lost. So too, a Christian man is Catholic while he lives in the body; cut off, he is made a heretic; the Spirit does not follow an amputated member." Sermons, 267, 4, 391-430 A.D.

"Let us not listen to those who deny that the Church of GOD is able to forgive all sins. They are wretched indeed, because they do not recognize in Peter the rock and they refuse to believe that the keys of the kingdom of heaven, lost from their own hands, have been given to the Church." Christian Combat 31,33, 396 A.D.

"The Catholic Church is the work of Divine Providence, achieved through the prophecies of the prophets, through the Incarnation and the teaching of Christ, through the journeys of the Apostles, through the suffering, the crosses, the blood and the death of the martyrs, through the admirable lives of the saints. When, then, we see so much help on God's part, so much progress and so much fruit, shall we hesitate to bury ourselves in the bosom of that Church? For starting from the Apostolic Chair down through successions of bishops, even unto the open confession of all mankind, it has possessed the crown of teaching authority." The Advantage of Believing, 391 A.D.

It is difficult to read Augustine and even consider trying to be a non Catholic Christian...

3,313 posted on 07/29/2010 10:04:40 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix; wagglebee; Mad Dawg
Wagglebee (post #3257): So, how about you provide me with a link to a SINGLE OPC church that is still in operation that shows where they have a Gospel reading EACH week at their Sunday service (remember, we are talking about an actual service, not a Bible study).

Quix: I think it’s a silly question, MOSTLY, anyway.

So, do you think it silly to read the Gospel? In The Church we read the Gospel, OT and NT each week and read through the entire bible each year. But if you think this a silly question, well...
3,314 posted on 07/29/2010 10:07:13 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Deo volente

Their raison d’être.


3,315 posted on 07/29/2010 10:08:42 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Why in heavens name would Most Raving Calvinists think Protestant worship services are more like bingo night?

Does the OPC no longer consider itself Protestant? Have you asked your pastor why they don't? Is it due to the excerpted bible?
3,316 posted on 07/29/2010 10:08:56 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Jvette
In post #3092 Dr Eck said Actually, relics predate faith. The apple was a relic in the Garden of Eden

So, it was a relic you say? A relic of ..?
3,317 posted on 07/29/2010 10:14:19 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cronos

A relic of Protestantism.


3,318 posted on 07/29/2010 10:16:11 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Cronos; wagglebee; NYer
If a Catholic attends daily Mass, just think of all the Scripture he hears. An epistle and Gospel reading EVERY DAY, plus psalms. There is also a two-year cycle to the daily readings, so you're getting over 600 selections from the Bible before the cycle repeats.

On Sundays, there's a 3-year cycle of readings from the O.T. and the New.
The priest is also expected to preach the sermon on the specific readings of the day. The priests that I have heard almost always do just that, and the homilies can run a good half-hour. This notion that Scripture is absent from the Mass or treated insignificantly is nonsense.

If a Catholic were to also pray the Liturgy of the Hours and the Office of Readings, he would have many additional texts from Scripture to read and pray over.

The Catholic Church's liturgical life is saturated with Scripture.

3,319 posted on 07/29/2010 10:21:13 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Cronos

You are assuming / hoping that folks will even read all those words, I suppose? Lotsa luck with that.


3,320 posted on 07/29/2010 10:28:05 AM PDT by don-o (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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