Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Oh, that’s bad.
Typical. But bad.
Have you READ the posts from your side? No, really, have you? there is more than enough vile and ridiculous accusations stemming from the “humble and holy sect”. You know, the ones who attend mass everyday and pray the rosary on the hour. You don’t get barraged any more than we do. Just a trip down this thread should put those rumors to rest. The only problem I see, is how quickly some become trapped in their own posts, and scream bloody murder when they can’t get out. Maybe those are the ones you are seeing. It’s not pretty to see someone hoisting themselves, right before your eyes. But it happens. Daily.
I understand that just like the Muslims, Calvinists believe that it is okay to lie to others who are not of their faith. The 10 Commandments don't apply to non Calvinists - okay we get that.
Sources? Please provide links and quotes to back up your assertions.
Check out Gamecock’s homepage to see what they think about Paul...
Thanks for the warning about facebook.
Folks, do NOT use your middle name on FB.
Do NOT put the year you were born.
That info is NOT essential, and it leaves you more vulnerable to I.D. theft.
Literally? Too bad you didn't catch it on video, right? That way you could show us all that you don't depart from the truth and put our minds all at rest.
Very sad. Thank you, God, for giving us the Bible where we received your blessed assurance of Christ's abiding love.
That is, assuming that Calvin's pagan god of wrath has chosen you, your family, your dog, cat, hamster, assorted fleas and nematodes, as outlined on the OPC website.
No doctrines of fallen man, no traditions based on years of feel-good nothingness.
You are saying the decision at the council of Jerusalem was a doctrine of fallen man? Was it based on feel good nothingness?
The Doctrine of the Trinity -- feel good nothingness? Fallen Man?
How about the several doctrines of dispensationalism -- fallen man or feel good nothingness?
And no one between themselves and God but Jesus Christ, the ONE MEDIATOR between God and man.
Not only do we have direct access, we also have indirect access. We got access up one side and down the other. And the words of Paul to Timothy and of James encourage us to pray for one another -- which is nothing other than mediation and intercession. So is what they say based on feel good nothingness or a teaching of fallen man?
Imagine if there was One body, and One Spirit, even as ye are called in One hope of your calling. One Lord, One faith, One baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. “(Eph. 4:4-6).
That is precisely what we teach. And we teach that it is not some formless group, a subset of those who claim to be saved, namely the ones who are right and not the ones abode which the others say, Well I guess he was wrong to think he was saved. and while the borders of that body are difficult to determine, we say that you can be sure you're in it, if you're in communion with the See of Rome.
Imagine if there was ONE gospel that saves. “For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.” (Eph. 2:8,9).
So we teach. We add that good works and their resulting merit are all gifts of grace.
Imagine if there was a group of people called saints, and they were made up of all living and dead saved believers.
So we teach.
And not some elitist group that fallen men have decided to label and VENERATE as saints.
The list of "canonized" saints is not an exclusive list. That's one reason we celebrate All Saints Day, to praise God for ALL His saints, the unknown as well as the known. So we do not teach an elitist group.
And while you say our determinations as those of fallen men, how many non-catholic funerals have you been to where the pastor and other speakers assured their hearers that the departed with in Heaven today? How many obituaries declare that so and so went to be with the angels on such and such a date?
Now THAT's fallen men nominating saints, often with far less evidence than we expect before we make the sweeping statements made about the blessedness of their dead by non-Catholics.
Imagine if there were no group of people on earth claiming they alone hold the keys to the kingdom
So Jesus was wrong then?
and no one is saved outside their Church.
That is not what we teach, We teach no one can be saved AND outside THE Church. There's a difference there.
Imagine if God’s Word was studied, rightly divided, so as to be an approved workman of God that needeth not to be ashamed. Imagine being able to do this without running to a Church for the “correct understanding” of God’s Word.
I'm trying to imagine what it would be like if the jargon "rightly divided", which has the air of a shibboleth, were dropped. No running to Darby, Scofield, or Bullinger either?
And while we're imagining, imagine a body where every member thought it was the head? St Paul says "SOME [are] teachers," yet we are rebuked for taking some members of the Church to be our teachers.
Imagine having the Holy Spirit guiding you in all truth and not councils, and meetings, and dogma and doctrines of men and traditions that could or could not be the same day to day, depending on who is in charge.
I see three main divisions among dispensationalist teachings and in the development I see further little subdivisions and disagreements among various teachers and 'schools'. It looks like within 18-0 years at least 5 different strands of teaching have arisen. What was said to be true in 1830, rightly divided in the 1870's, 1930's, 1950's and 1980's. And you're saying WE change?
Imagine being able to rest in the Finished Work of Christ instead of not knowing if you’ll ‘make it’ or not in the end.
Until you suffer an assault of doubts or backslide and people start saying, "Well I guess he wasn't REALLY saved anyway." And then imagine growing up in that group and wondering if the feeling you have today is the "Real thing" or not? So you get 'saved' two or three times before you're 20, and still aren't sure, and feel condemned, even predestined to hell because of your lack of assurance, DESPITE your theological background.
You seem to think there is no chaos in your Church. Look behind the pretty curtains. It’s a MESS.
DO you know any REAL Catholics at ALL? We're ALWAYS complaining about this or that congregation or group or bishop or pastor -- and occasionally about Popes. A pastor of whom I am very fond indeed thinks both JP2 and PapaBenXVI are disasters! (fortunately I don't have to agree with someone to be fond of him.) For every Catholic who respects me for being a lay Dominican there are several who think I'm a kind of religious geek, am unbearably conservative, excessively pious, too bookish, not bookish enough, not sufficiently involved with sticking it to the man, etc.
I'd love to meet a Catholic who thought the Church was without chaos! Oh My Goodness! It's crazy. The one command the Church is really good at obeying is not letting the left hand know what the right hand is doing. Only they obey that one not when they're giving alms but when they're, say, planning a meeting or a project.
8 months ago or so, I was asked if I would help with a book sale. About before the sale it became clear that what they actually meant was would I RUN the book sale!
Oh no, no chaos. No chaos at all.
Let's add Math to Scripture, History, Languages, and the Catechism in the list of things that the anti-Catholics get absolutely wrong. There are only about 32,000 verses in the Bible (Old + New Testament) and more than 33,000 denominations. Obviously there is a unique Protestant definition of a constant.
Let's add Math to Scripture, History, Languages, and the Catechism in the list of things that the anti-Catholics get absolutely wrong. There are only about 32,000 verses in the Bible (Old + New Testament) and more than 33,000 denominatins. Obviously there is a unique Protestant definition of a constant.
Thanks for the link, Dr. I just went to Gamecock’s homepage and read it. They don’t appear to like Paul at all. As a matter of fact, it seems close to disdain. Paul must have said everything RIGHT. Keep it up,, Gamecock. It’s very revealing.
Absolutely not. Paul was chosen by God. As bishop of his flock, his letters are absolutely Scripture, but they are of Scripture as those words of the Chronicler. Jesus spoke to us directly in the Gospels. Therefore, there should be a pinnacle of God's revelation - the words of Jesus first and foremost. The words of the NT next. The words of the OT next. This is Scripture. If we do not view the words of men through the Gospels, we cannot claim to be Christians. Catholicism puts our Lord Jesus Christ at the pinnacle. Who do you guys put there?
Stipulate that some Catholics say bad things about some no-Catholics.
So you’re saying that makes it right for non-Catholics to say that we teach what we do not teach?
You claimed that you were a bridesmaid at three Roman Catholic weddings. It is that statement that lacks credulity.
INCREDIBLE.
As a psychologist . . . many of their ASSUMPTIONS
are sooooooooooo . . . curious . . .
They make outrageous ASSUMPTIONS
—about the early church
—about Mary
—about Peter
—about Salvation
—about authority
on and on and on . . .
and we see the SAME crazy kind of brazen outrageous ASSUMING about Proddys hereon.
Is it in the “holy” water?
Is it in the Soylent White Wafers?
What causes such mental leaps of . . . foolhardiness?
I understand that just like the Muslims, Calvinists believe that it is okay to lie to others who are not of their faith. The 10 Commandments don't apply to non Calvinists - okay we get that.
Sources? Please provide links and quotes to back up your assertions.
I am certain you have that affect on a lot of people.
Why are you attempting to defend the indefensible?
What’s with all this “lying,” Mark?
Have you run out of Scripture to deny and false doctrines of men to champion?
Your part in this discussion is absurd.
I wonder how God The Father feels about HIS HOLY WORD being likened to an
“INCOMPLETE DECK?”
Isn’t that a bit like . . . a brick short of a load?
not the sharpest knife in the drawer?
not the brightest crayon in the pack?
Given God’s priority Hallowedness toward HIS WORD . . .
I’d consider such an assertion VERY POOR lightening insurance.
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