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Now THIS is one of the best brief expositions of what is fundamentally wrong - and dangerous - with the PC and Relativistic crowd, on the subject of the Religion of Peace - along with the various organs of Government GROUPTHINK that I have seen. It is very worth while reading, and sending a copy to the Congressional numbnuts that allegedly represent the People.
1 posted on 08/10/2010 8:25:31 AM PDT by CanGyrene
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To: CanGyrene
Is Islam’s Problem a Lack of Modernity?

Yes.

Next?

2 posted on 08/10/2010 8:28:27 AM PDT by detritus
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If the lack of “modernity” is the problem, then it is an admission that Islam is incompatible with the civilized world.

There can BE no “reformation” movement in Islam. Mohammed was the last prophet, they reject those who seek to say that jihad holy war, slavery, etc. are no longer valid.

The only “reformation” for muslims is to reject Mohammed's bastardization of the Judeo-Christian Bible and return the original text as Jews or Christians (depending on whether they are willing to accept Jesus Christ as something more than just another “prophet”). Islam is the only major religion to acknowledge the existence of Jesus Christ while at the same time denying His divinity, His death by crucifixion, and His resurrection.

3 posted on 08/10/2010 8:31:05 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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fewer have tackled the underlying premise behind this liberal critique of Islam, which claims that it is a lack of modernity that is the problem.

Maybe the underlying problem is the Koran and Hadith?

The Koran:

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Sura (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

Sura (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Sura (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Sura (47:4) - "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make them prisoners,"

Sura (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"

Sura (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end

From the Hadith:

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’”

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

The Koran and hadiths are replete with examples of Muhammad's barbaric behavior. Robert Spencer does a good job here explaining Islam - Blogging the Qur’an Start at the bottom.

4 posted on 08/10/2010 8:34:17 AM PDT by FatherofFive (0bama is dangerous and must be stopped.)
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Digging a bit deeper, the problem with the author's premise is that he mistakes the superficial (e.g. use of modern technology) with the fundamental (i.e. acceptance of cultural advances). Obviously, that makes no sense; if this distinction is blurred, a South Sea cargo cultist is "modern".

The discrepancy is papered over by using "civilization" rather than "modernity" to refer to the latter; however, that's an unconvincing attempt to evade the argument by redefinition. Critics who (correctly) point out the lack of modernity in the Islamic world are referring to culture, not simple training to use gadgets.

5 posted on 08/10/2010 8:34:40 AM PDT by detritus
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I would say, no. The fundamental problem with Islam is that it is based upon a lie. It is a false religion. For instance, it is possible to modernize Marxism by using modern technology and modern means, but it is still Marxism.


6 posted on 08/10/2010 8:37:52 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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Its the culture. It is a backward, tribal culture overlayed with a veneer of religion, that according to my study, was invented by “The Prophet” who was simply trying to create his own knock-off copy of Judaism and Christianity, that were prevelent in his time and era.


7 posted on 08/10/2010 8:41:01 AM PDT by PGR88
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Nope. Islam is the problem.


8 posted on 08/10/2010 8:44:23 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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Islam isn’t any more of a religion than the KKK is.
All they preach is hatred for anyone who is not one of them.

This isn’t a matter of being “Modern”. It’s a matter of being “Civilized”.


9 posted on 08/10/2010 8:45:58 AM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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The fundamental problem with Islam is that it is not a religion it is a theocracy. It desires to establish how everyone either lives their lives or is punished, enslaved, or killed. There is no freedom of religion for Islam because as a theorcracy it is inherently in conflict with the Constitution as it seeks to establish a state religion.


10 posted on 08/10/2010 8:47:24 AM PDT by hometoroost (McCain is a Ron and Nancy Republican: Campaigns like Reagan, governs like Pelosi)
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>>Is Islam’s Problem a Lack of Modernity?<<

If one reads the Koran, they will see that the lack of modernity is caused by the foundational beliefs of islam based on the teaching of the Koran.

Any science we got from muslim culture is from cultures they conquered. Once the reverberations from the conquered culture dissipate they go back to their road warrior culture without the cool vehicles.


12 posted on 08/10/2010 8:54:50 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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The problem with Islam is that of being a false religion. Religion built on lies always leads people astray and down the wrong path in life.


14 posted on 08/10/2010 9:06:33 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: CanGyrene

No. The problem with islam is our timidity in crushing it.


16 posted on 08/10/2010 9:09:07 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: CanGyrene
Only scanned the article, but it appears the author has it right. It's not modernity.

It's a lot easier, though, for PC-nutcases than to admit to people it's a death cult.

18 posted on 08/10/2010 9:56:18 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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The problem with Islam is Islam. It's inherently evil. It's good they are not modern. The less advanced it's weapons are the better it is for the civilized world.

19 posted on 08/10/2010 9:59:39 AM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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“Is Islam’s Problem a Lack of Modernity?”

Islam’s “problem” is Muhammed.

The world’s problem is that Islam exists.


20 posted on 08/10/2010 11:21:06 AM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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