[fightingirishthomas]

Without Biblical evidence there can be only one conclusion ... Mariology is false doctrine propogated by false teachers whose purpose is to mystify Christian soteriology into another gospel.

The first significant scripture about Mary, Luke 1:28, in the traditional translation “Hail Mary full of grace,” echoes John 1:14, “full of grace and truth.” Only Jesus was God or “Truth” but Mary was also “full of Grace,” sinless. And does not Luke 1:45-55 indicate something special, Mary being completely humble, yet stating that because “the Almighty has done great things for me,” that “all generations will call me blessed.” Of course, many Protestants go against scripture by calling her things far less than “blessed,” but it is there in scripture.

Mary was with Christ at his first miracle Cana, and at the foot of the Cross when He told John, ”behold your mother,” and Mary, “behold your Son,” giving her a significant place in the early Church indeed. Mary IS in Revelation, “The woman clothed with the sun.” Rev. 12:1 has always been identified with Mary until the Protestant reformation and many of the original reformers still agreed this passage referred to Mary. Mary wasn’t necessarily assumed into heaven before Paul died (so it wouldn’t have made it in the early New Testament books). But tradition has always held it to be true. As St. John said, “if everything Jesus did [let alone Mary or the Apostles] had said or done was written down, the whole world would not have room for the books (John 21:25). On the one hand you argue Sola Scriptura about Mary (when every denomination has rituals NOT recorded in the Bible) and on the other you ignore the extremely significant things (or their traditional interpretations) written in the Bible about this holy and humble woman, a woman who stayed in the background but helped Jesus every step of the way by nurturing, prayer, or just having the courage (example: at the foot of the cross) to be there.

[Raider Sam]

Your tagline prayer does not make sense. You are praying to Mary, and with the commas, you state that Mary was conceived without sin. Whats up with that?

[dartuser]

Only Jesus was God or “Truth” but Mary was also “full of Grace,” sinless.

Im sorry, Im not really able to follow your logic here. Full of grace = sinless? Last I checked grace means "favor" ... i.e. Mary full of grace = Mary full of Gods favor ... Nothing to do with sin or sinlessness.

All generations will call me blessed ...

Thats a far cry from saying all generations will call me sinless, a perpetual virgin, bodily assumed, queen of heaven, co-redemptrix ...

He told John, ”behold your mother,” and Mary, “behold your Son,” giving her a significant place in the early Church indeed ...

Is this what passes for Catholic Biblical exegesis? There is no connection here at all.

The woman in the Revelation 12 passage that you mention is not Mary but the nation of Israel during the seven year tribulation period. You have to ignore the context of Revelation 12, the entire book, and prophetic scripture to come to any other conclusion.

humble woman, a woman who stayed in the background but helped Jesus every step of the way by nurturing, prayer, or just having the courage (example: at the foot of the cross) to be there.

If you were merely teaching what you have said here there would be no issue ... but what you are teaching is a far far cry from your words here. You argue that we Protestants dont support what the Bible says about Mary ... we DO support what is in there ... BUT NOTHING MORE CUZ ITS NOT IN THERE!

You habitually take liberties with the text and make it say something that is not even remotely suggested.