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To: stfassisi
They are writings of the church fathers,what sense would it make for me to do anything other than cut and paste them to make a point?

Do you have paste"ophobia"or something?

Not at all. I frequently cut & paste. I do call attention to errors, deliberate or not, in the information.

Let me repeat:

"catholic" was used as an adjective, not a proper noun.

There was no proper noun Catholic when they were written.

8,843 posted on 10/05/2010 3:15:46 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE

The Greek word katholikos(”universal” or “general”)pertained to those of one belief,not many divided beliefs in the time period of the Church Fathers,thus makes no difference weather it’s a small “k” or capitol “K”. The Arians and other heretics were condemned for NOT following the katholikos or “K”atholikos Church teaching.


8,851 posted on 10/05/2010 3:50:31 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: OLD REGGIE
"catholic" was used as an adjective, not a proper noun.

I'm in a snarky mood today, we had to put our chief cat to sleep on Sunday, it's cold outside and what I really want to do is kick someone until he's down and then kick him again. What a lovely person I am sometimes... bleh. Forgive me if I get rude here:

The Church grew up. I am the same person I was 40 years ago but I do things I could not do then, I don't look like what I looked like then, I understand things in ways I didn't understand them then... I grew up. In the same way there are many things about our own nation that are different than they were 200 years ago, many things people would like to change and while we may say "This is not the America I grew up in" that doesn't mean there's some other America somewhere else or that we can divorce ourselves from our country and go start another one while claiming to be "real America"(tm).

People complain "oh, the early Church did this or the early Church did that"... well, yeah, and I used to need a diaper and I used to need training wheels and I used to need permission to cross the street and on and on and on. That certainly doesn't mean that the early Church was defective and now we've arrived anymore than it means that there was something wrong with me when I was two or three or nine or fifteen... It just means I did what was appropriate to my own development.

The Church has to develop, always under the direction of God. Should we bust up large congregations and meet in secret because conditions dictated that for the early Church? Should each town only have one congregation because that's the way they did it then? I don't know how you reconcile the two ways of doing things to current conditions though...

But beyond that: when you're the only game in town you refer to yourself (and others refer to you) in a generic sense. In a small town, "he's the doctor". When an herbalist moves into town and starts saying "I'm a doctor too" people may well say "no, he is the Doctor, we don't know what the heck you are... witch." "Call the Doctor" becomes a definite distinction meant to exclude the new guy. "doc" may still be "doc" to his friends but whenever the new-age guru enters the conversation "doc" becomes "Doctor Smith... (and not the freaky hippie)".

8,858 posted on 10/05/2010 4:00:45 PM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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