Interesting, how many just don't get it.
The LDS god is not the Christian God. The Christian God is, as an old book says
There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts, or passions, immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of his own immutable and most righteous will, for his own glory, most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek him; and withal most just and terrible in his judgments; hating all sin; and who will by no means clear the guilty.
Not to mention, triune.
The LDS god is, well, "some guy" from the imaginary planet Kolob.
And yes, it matters.
I found this yesterday:
"I have interviewed persons who have talked specifically with Glenn about his personal salvation - persons extremely well known in Christianity - and they have affirmed (using language evangelicals understand), 'Glenn is saved,' " Garlow said in his memo, which was dated Wednesday. "He understands receiving Christ as savior."
Pretty distressing, the level of discernment among some "persons extremely well known in Christianity".
And, from the same source:
"Christians concerned about Glenn's faith should judge the tree by its fruits, not its labels," Barton, a former Republican National Committee consultant, continued.
Actually, one should start by asking about his confession.
Gamecock, I have agreed with you many times and don’t know that I don’t now HOWEVER, I am a fruit inspector. I am seeing how Glen’s taking the higher road is showing the American people who weren’t aware of the Left’s hostility, a very clear picture that can not be denied.
Could this Scripture apply in this situation?
(Mark 9:38 KJV) And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
(Mark 9:39 KJV) But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
(Mark 9:40 KJV) For he that is not against us is on our part.
The baalim have become rather insecure of late, agitated over any perceived competition.
Dear Gods...
Pastor John Samson will not be missed because not many have ever heard of him.
To everyone: I'm sure Mormons are fine and wonderful people, I know some ex-Mormons and when I asked about Kolob they looked at me like I was speaking in tongues... which is goofy because they now speak in tongues. So it's entirely possible that Glenn Beck doesn't actually know that the Mormon version of God is a created being who lives on a planet orbiting the star Kolob whose sons are Jesus and Lucifer (L Ron Hubbard eat your heart out).
I think a legitimate objection to what's going on is that some people see Mr. Beck's championing of Christianity as deceptive, I tend to agree but I'm inclined to believe that it's not intentional.
More than anything though, this entire situation is starting to look like a recasting of the role of Howard Beale. I don't doubt that Glenn Beck is sincere, and that puts him head and shoulders over the current occupant of the White House... not that he's a Christian by any classical definition either.
Well, Pastor.... it turns out that God’s a lot bigger than you are. He can take care of Himself. Let God decide if Glenn Beck’s prayers are good enough for Him. And as for you ... get off your high horse.
This one is far more dangerous than your average snob....he insists that we all go our separate ways rather than fight for our rights as united people. People like this guy are destroying every ones religious freedom.
I get the feeling that deep down in his heart, Glenn is more Christian than Mormon. That’s my impression.
This "pastor" made a specific point of calling on the "gods" for various reasons at least SEVEN times in his "prayer".
Having taught Homiletics, I carefully reviewed his "prayer", my conclusion: I know for a fact that he was not making a mistake or that he had a lisp or speech impediment when he referred to the "gods" because in the very beginning of the "prayer" he prayed to God (no plural) and then shortly thereafter and I believe for the remainder of the "prayer", he prayed to "gods". This is either because "Pastor" Jails is a Mormon (which is not the case)or he was being PC and trying to appease all of the other "faiths" and the various false "gods" they serve. In either case what he said and what he "prayed" in behalf of those gathered and America was nothing short of evil and Satanic!
To my knowledge, never before in the history of America has a supposed man of the cloth prayed to the "gods" in a massive national public forum representing America and praying for the gods blessings upon the nation. This is deeply disturbing and raises very real issues regarding the "spiritual " nature of the event, Glenn Beck's relationship to "Jesus", even more so since Mr. Beck was responsible for the event and nothing took place, no one did anything without his direct involvement.
Pastor Paul Jehle gives the OPENING prayer for the Restoring Honor rally. He does not appear to have any speech impediment. In his "prayer" you can hear him apparently praying to the "gods" at least SEVEN different times:
He is introduced/invited to give the opening prayer at approximately 5minute: 14second mark.
Whenever Pastor Jehles uses plurals: "peoples," "nations," "rights," "accounts," "treaties," "words" etc, he draws out the Ssss at the end of the word. When he uses singular words he does not put an "s" on the end or draw our an Ssss on the end of the word.
Begins using the singular form "God"
Starts with "Lord God"(singular) 5:47
In the name of God (singular) amen 6:42
blessed the God (singular) of heaven 6:52
Switches to the plural "gods"
"Lord gods" used 4x's: 7:02, 7:09, 7:37, 7:43;
"Oh gods" used 1x :7:56
"You will do it because your gods" used 1x: 8:58
"Restoring gods" used 1x: 9:21
"One nation under gods" used 1x: 9:39 (In this ONE case it is not clear if he is saying "God" or "gods", in every other instance it is clearly evident that he is using the plural and it is very disturbing to say the least
My son, along with 200 others from Oklahoma City attended the rally and my son, along with EVERYONE around him was taken aback when they heard Jails praying to the "gods" and they were also very disturbed by what he said as he said it!
The recroded evidence seems to clearly indicate that after saying "God" three times he went on to pray to the "gods" throughout the remainder of his prayer.
It should also be noted that throughout the entire prayer, Pastor Jehle did not have a problem mistakingly turning the singular of ANY OTHER WORD into a plural. The ONLY exception was the word God. After saying "God," properly THREE TIMES without any lisp, verbal click, tick, "th," Ssss, or problem, he went on throughout the remainder of his "prayer" to call upon the "gods" (plural) at least SEVEN or EIGHT times!
During the event and on his TV and radio shows, Glenn repeatedly talks about the individual and America's need to return to "god". In light of Glenn's Mormonism and his specific choice of "Pastor" Paul Jails to give the OPENING PRAYER to the "gods", which set the tone for the entire event, the preeminent question we must all ask ourselves and Glenn Beck is this = WHICH "god"? Which "gods" are you calling us to cry out to? Which "god" are you calling America and Americans to follow and obey?
As much as I love and respect Glenn Beck, the "jesus" of Mormonism, the "jesus" and "gods" Glenn and Mormonism worships and serves are NOT the Lord Jesus Christ, or the God of the Bible. There is only ONE TRUE and LIVING God, He is a jealous God and He will NOT give His glory to another "god" because ALL OTHER "gods", including "jesus" and ALL of the "gods" of Mormonism, are FALSE "gods":
‘See now that I, I AM HE, And there is NO god BESIDES ME; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from MY HAND.' (Deuteronomy 32:39 Emphasis mine)
You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was NO God formed, And there will be NONE after Me.
“I, even I, AM the LORD, And THERE IS NO SAVIOR BESIDES ME.
“It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed, And there was no strange god among you; So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “And I AM GOD.
“Even FROM ETERNITY I AM HE, And there is none who can deliver out of My hand; I act and who can reverse it?” (Isaiah 43:10-13 Emphasis mine)
“I AM the LORD, that is MY NAME;
I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY TO ANOTHER,
Nor My praise to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8, Emphasis mine)
We are living in the Last days, spiritual deception and false "Christs" abound. Given the times in which we are living, it is imperative that all of us who know the true and living God use spiritual discernment in order to avoid following after false Christs, and false "gods", including the false "jesus" and false "gods" of Mormonism because all of the supposed "good works" in the world cannot save us:
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. “MANY will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not PROPHESY IN YOUR NAME, and IN YOUR NAME CAST OUT DEMONS, and IN YOUR NAME PERFORM MANY MIRACLES?’ “And then I will declare to them, ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’" (Matthew 27:10-13, Emphasis mine)
God's Word is clear; as Christians and the Church of Jesus Christ we have a responsibility to maintain spiritual purity for the cause of Christ and in order to maintain purity regarding the genuine Gospel of Jesus Christ: P>
DO NOT BE BOUND TOGETHER WITH UNBELIEVERS; for what PARTNERSHIP have RIGHTEOUSNESS and LAWLESSNESS, or what FELLOWSHIP has LIGHT with DARKNESS?
Or what HARMONY has Christ with BELIAL, or what has a BELIEVER in common with an UNBELIEVER?
Or what agreement has the THE TEMPLE OF GOD WITH IDOLS? For WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD; just as God said, “I will dwell in them and walk among them;
And I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
“Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,” says the Lord. “And do not touch what is unclean; And I will welcome you. “And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,” Says the Lord Almighty. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18, Emphasis mine)
We need to be careful because God may be testing America as to whether or not we will serve Him and Him alone of follow after false "gods":
“If a PROPHET or a dreamer of dreams ARISES AMONG YOU and gives you a SIGN or a WONDER,
and the sign or the wonder COMES TRUE, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘LET US GO AFTER O T H E R gods (WHOM YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN) and LET US SERVE THEM,’
YOU SHALL NOT LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF THAT PROPHET or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God IS TESTING YOU TO FIND OUT IF YOU LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL.
“You shall follow THE LORD YOUR God and FEAR HIM; and YOU SHALL KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, LISTEN to HIS VOICE, SERVE HIM, and CLING TO HIM.
“But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has HE HAS COUNSELED REBELLION AGAINST THE LORD YOUR GOD who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, TO SEDUCE YOU FROM THE WAY IN WHICH THE LORD YOUR GOD COMMANDED YO TO WALK. So you shall purge the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Emphasis mine)
As Christians our responsibility is to "seek first the kingdom of God", not the country of America. If that means removing ourselves from future events and rally's promoted by Mr. Beck or others that seek to "restore America" or "restore honor" while promoting "spiritual unity" at the cost of doctrinal purity between those who know the Lord Jesus Christ and individuals, denominations and cults, like Mormonism which do not, then so be it.
For more on this pressing issue please see the following article by Brannon S. Howse regarding:
Following Glenn Beck's Divine Destiny or God's Word By Brannon S. Howse
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=6439
A very well written and sincere explanation by Pastor Samson. Thanks for posting.
Whew! Nice firestorm buddy.
Civil religion is alive and well.
The harvest is ripe!
his grasp of history is at times not in touch with my own
but...a big but....I could give a damn about his newfound Mormonism...I don't believe in what they do largely..no question of that and the concept of latter days prophets and saints and polygamy is whack to me but it's just not on my radar.
i know some here adore Glenn...I used to like him more and I wish him well but he's just a New Conservative which for me ain't much..
he's not much different than many posters here who claim on their homepage they found conservatism recently after a lifetime of leftist affections.,..say like the many moderates who streamed in here after 9-11 for instance or folks who said they couldn't bear Gore or Kerry
the what culture war sorts? Beck claims many mantles but the only one that I see that sticks is Libertarian with 1960s moderate Democrat sensibilities
i promise right here to Beck lovers that I've had my say on Beck for now unless something breaks...you can hold me to it
enjoy your windfall, we don't need anything to distract from this election and if Beck can help there then great
SO if the pastor isn’t joining Glenn and the 500,000 on the mall, is he joining with the leftists? is he standing on the sidelines doing nothing? it’s all well and good he won’t join Glenn, but what IS he doing? because doing nothing at this point in our history is NOT ACCEPTABLE. If all he can do is focus on his disagreement with Mormon theology, rather than focus on uniting our country and turning it back to GOD, then he is misguided and of no help to those of us looking to restore our country.
Oh why do the Faithful so furiously rage?
Thank you for posting this. I couldn’t agree more.
God determines whose prayers he listens to even if you are not a Christian. It is not up to you.
Oh, God....
All very true. Now if only good chr*stians would understand that their “gxd” is not the G-d Jews pray to.
This is what destroys us. Is it REALLY that important that Beck is a Mormon? Yes, they have a few differences from Christianity, but so what? As long he’s not calling us to Islam, I’m all for him.