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Evangelical Scholar Troubled by Theological Ambiguity at Beck Rally (Many Christians Seem Confused)
Christian Post ^ | 09/02/2010 | Nathan Black

Posted on 09/02/2010 6:59:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: ansel12

Most everyone there was not there as a pastor or politician.


221 posted on 09/02/2010 11:47:57 AM PDT by dforest
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To: ansel12

I responded to something someone posted in the thread itself.

Freegards


222 posted on 09/02/2010 11:48:40 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: indylindy
"Mohler, one of the nation’s pre-eminent evangelical theologians, found that Beck's rally cries were resonating with many Christians. "What concerned me about that event on the mall was not so much Glenn Beck and the politicians in the program; it was the picture of those religious leaders standing together," he said Tuesday on The Janet Mefferd Show. During Saturday’s three-hour event, over 200 religious leaders stood behind Beck, linking arms at certain points."

Then I don't know why you mentioned Governor Palin.

223 posted on 09/02/2010 11:51:14 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
For information on why Christians are concerned about Beck becoming America’s religious leader see post 207. A post that on the topic that you increasingly seem to be avoiding.

Erm..... I posted #207. It says nothing about Mr. Beck's supposed pretensions of religious leadership.

I suppose you meant a different post, to which I did not pay attention. It's hard to "avoid" something unless you've seen it first.... But hey: anything to change the subject, right?

I suppose it's possible that Mr. Beck has such pretensions. So, for that matter, do some of those garden variety Evangelical leaders. But they're doomed to failure in any case so I'm not going to worry about it.

But back to baptism, and the question you're avoiding.

Does the efficacy of baptism depend on the church under whose authority it is practiced, or does God care more about the intent of the individual who is being baptized?

224 posted on 09/02/2010 11:55:24 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: SeekAndFind

I didn’t get the impression that it was about the Christian (true) God or the Mormon faith or anyone but “whatever your beliefe system, if it is good and loving and helpful, then practice it like you mean it.”

This was not a “Christians only” event.


225 posted on 09/02/2010 11:55:39 AM PDT by Grunthor (My coffee creamer is fat free because I am not.)
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To: r9etb
For information on why Christians are concerned about Beck becoming America’s religious leader see post 207. A post that on the topic that you increasingly seem to be avoiding.

"Erm..... I posted #207. It says nothing about Mr. Beck's supposed pretensions of religious leadership. I suppose you meant a different post, to which I did not pay attention. It's hard to "avoid" something unless you've seen it first.... But hey: anything to change the subject, right?"

Weird, why waste all that time and effort when you knew that it was a simple mistake of me saying your post 207 instead of my post to you that was 208?

It is you that is trying to get off the subject of this thread by getting into personal religious beliefs, see post 208 on why Christians would be concerned about Beck becoming America's biggest religious leader.

226 posted on 09/02/2010 12:07:43 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
Weird, why waste all that time and effort when you knew that it was a simple mistake of me saying your post 207 instead of my post to you that was 208?

Because it's better not to guess at your intentions, when I can ask you to clarify instead.

Not that guessing would have helped in this case: ironically, post #208 does not discuss Mr. Beck's supposed pretentions to religious leadership, either.

227 posted on 09/02/2010 12:31:21 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
ironically, post #208 does not discuss Mr. Beck's supposed pretentions to religious leadership, either.

Post 208 addresses the subject of this thread, and "Mr. Beck's supposed pretentions to religious leadership".

Post 208
"It is the universality that makes this unique. “Mormonism is something that Christianity agrees on. Greek Orthodox, the Vatican, Protestant churches, as diverse as we think they are, they do agree that Mormonism isn’t Christian, but is a different religion of it’s own.”
Christians all have a shared interest in Mormonism whether you do or not."

228 posted on 09/02/2010 12:40:20 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: RnMomof7

hear this video and see the tears on the death of the Mormon prophet
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Glenn beck cried over Joey Smith getting his adulterous conman false prophet self killed ???

Did he also cry over the death that Jesus suffered on the Cross for him ???


229 posted on 09/02/2010 1:40:20 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

The utube was the death of the last “president” of the LDS


230 posted on 09/02/2010 2:06:59 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Oh that one...

oh thats right

there was more than one “mormon prophet”

I always think of the lord Joey Smith...


231 posted on 09/02/2010 2:14:43 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: circlecity

John MacArthur did? I don’t listen to him that often but now I’ll have to research that. Where should I look?


232 posted on 09/02/2010 2:28:30 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: ansel12
"It is the universality that makes this unique. “Mormonism is something that Christianity agrees on. Greek Orthodox, the Vatican, Protestant churches, as diverse as we think they are, they do agree that Mormonism isn’t Christian, but is a different religion of it’s own.”

Funny, you've posted that three times now, and it still says nothing about Mr. Beck's supposed attempt to become a religious leader.

Perhaps it's there in secret code, but I just can't quite spot it.

Or perhaps you're just trying to avoid the question I asked you.

233 posted on 09/02/2010 2:38:06 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

It sure fits the subject of this thread, which is about Christian concerns as it relates to Mormonism and Glenn Beck.


234 posted on 09/02/2010 2:44:16 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: RnMomof7

That looks like Glenn Beck making a big Mormon moment on his national radio show, is that what it was?


235 posted on 09/02/2010 2:47:31 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ducttape45
"John MacArthur did? I don’t listen to him that often but now I’ll have to research that. Where should I look?"

I would try doing a search on his Grace to You website. I know I read his article on this on Ingrid Schleuter's "Crosstalk" Blog, so you may want to try a search there too.

236 posted on 09/02/2010 2:59:50 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: colorcountry
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that divine grace alone saves rather than faith? After all faith is a gift of grace, isn't it? Also, if faith is a gift of grace, wouldn't that mean that faith is just another word for a specific type of grace? (And if faith is a type of grace, then wouldn't that mean that the whole saved by faith vs saved by grace question is really a grace vs grace question?)

I guess you can't have a proper debate on the subject without must first nail down the definitions of the words "grace" "faith" and "works."

Regardless of the whole faith, grace, and works business, I suspect that anyone who dies knowing God and truly loving Him will be saved. (When you realize who He is and what He has done/suffered for you, then it is hard not to love Him back). That seems to be the key. I would propose to you that it is impossible to be saved without loving God, but you have to know who He is before you can truly begin to do that. You can't love what you don't know.

237 posted on 09/02/2010 3:30:54 PM PDT by old republic
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To: old republic

Yes, you are quite correct. It is difficult to discuss the Biblical terms, ‘grace,’ ‘faith’ and ‘belief’ with someone not familiar with the Biblical understanding of those words.

The poster I was responding to in that post seemed not to be familiar with those Biblical concepts so I limited my discussion to the difference between belief (even the demons believe) and faith.


238 posted on 09/02/2010 3:37:50 PM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: ansel12

No that was a private interview I think


239 posted on 09/02/2010 3:50:22 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

It looks like he is doing his show, not an interview.


240 posted on 09/02/2010 4:02:30 PM PDT by ansel12
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