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1 posted on 10/22/2010 3:28:24 PM PDT by NYer
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Election ping!


2 posted on 10/22/2010 3:29:13 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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Is the tea party movement in sync with Catholic teaching?

1. Who said it had to be?

2. That's what a big tent is about... where are we supposed to go, the Democratic Party?!

3 posted on 10/22/2010 3:31:49 PM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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There is absolutely nothing “radical” about the Tea Party Movement!


4 posted on 10/22/2010 3:33:58 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, render unto God that which is God’s. This is the separation that Jefferson referred to.


5 posted on 10/22/2010 3:34:39 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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Honestly, I only skimmed it. But I did note something in there about “our duty to the poor.” That tells me it’s written from a Social Teaching standpoint that tends toward Socialism. I see it as trying to drive a wedge into the Catholic vote. If we actually supported our Catholic faith, no party would dare oppose our values... and America would live up to its founding. Our enemies know this.


6 posted on 10/22/2010 3:34:59 PM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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The tea parties, however, have argued for rights based on liberty, not responsibility.

Our rights are based in liberty (remember that whole "life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness" thing?). With that liberty, we are called by our faith to a responsibility to our fellow man.

When our rights become based on our responsibility, we will have Communism.

8 posted on 10/22/2010 3:38:18 PM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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I must have been asleep at Mass for about 40 years. When did the Catholic Church begin teaching that governments are supposed to be our brother’s keeper? I seem to remember we as individual Catholics are to be our brother’s keepers. I do not remember reading anything in the New Testament where Jesus said, “Oh, just let the government steal from everyone it can to reward those who are in need.”

Professor Shenk and anyone else teaching this apostacy need to be excommunicated.


9 posted on 10/22/2010 3:40:14 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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Shneck does not understand his faith. Sirico does. Sirico was a leftist in his youth. He had an intellectually-inspired conversion and became a priest.


11 posted on 10/22/2010 3:41:59 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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Shneck does not understand his faith. Sirico does. Sirico was a leftist in his youth. He had an intellectually-inspired conversion and became a priest.


13 posted on 10/22/2010 3:42:32 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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What is the Catholic teaching on the Tea Party?

Here it is:

The Founding Fathers of the United States asserted their claim to freedom and independence on the basis of certain "self-evident" truths about the human person: truths which could be discerned in human nature, built into it by "nature’s God." Thus they meant to bring into being, not just an independent territory, but a great experiment in what George Washington called "ordered liberty": an experiment in which men and women would enjoy equality of rights and opportunities in the pursuit of happiness and in service to the common good. Reading the founding documents of the United States, one has to be impressed by the concept of freedom they enshrine: a freedom designed to enable people to fulfill their duties and responsibilities toward the family and toward the common good of the community. Their authors clearly understood that there could be no true freedom without moral responsibility and accountability, and no happiness without respect and support for the natural units or groupings through which people exist, develop, and seek the higher purposes of life in concert with others.

The American democratic experiment has been successful in many ways. Millions of people around the world look to the United States as a model in their search for freedom, dignity, and prosperity. But the continuing success of American democracy depends on the degree to which each new generation, native-born and immigrant, makes its own the moral truths on which the Founding Fathers staked the future of your Republic. Their commitment to build a free society with liberty and justice for all must be constantly renewed if the United States is to fulfill the destiny to which the Founders pledged their "lives . . . fortunes . . . and sacred honor."

John Paul II

14 posted on 10/22/2010 3:45:36 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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many catholics we know are libs.

so, no.


17 posted on 10/22/2010 3:50:23 PM PDT by ken21 (who runs the gop?)
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I’m not Catholic. However, here’s an article that may help iron-out the conundrum:

Rethinking Romans by Greg A. Dixon

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22417

It’s an article from 2001 but I think it may be helpful


18 posted on 10/22/2010 3:54:14 PM PDT by old school
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According to Father Robert Sirico, president of the Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty, the radical extremists in the tea party represent only a small percentage on the fringes of the movement.

Did I miss the part where he defines "radical extremists"?

19 posted on 10/22/2010 3:55:15 PM PDT by don-o ("At this point, Islam is just surging into a vacuum" - Mrs Don-o)
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I hope not!


20 posted on 10/22/2010 3:55:22 PM PDT by rabidralph
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What nation in the world did more to provide individual liberty and opportunity for the poor and oppressed than America? What nation encouraged personal benevolence and charity more? Which nation became a place of refuge for the oppressed? It was and is America.

Catholic writer Michael Novak has written extensively on this subject for many years. His "On Two Wings" is an excellent resource on America's founding ideas, as was his "Democratic Capitalism."

21 posted on 10/22/2010 4:07:40 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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about whether the at times radical views and controversial practices seen from tea party protesters fit with the teachings of the Church.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So?...When did following the Constitution become “radical”?

No bias here, folks! Move along! ( sarc)

22 posted on 10/22/2010 4:09:21 PM PDT by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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"while 28% say they would vote Republican, 28% Democrat"

This is an amazing improvement as usually Catholics have followed the Democrats to a much higher level.
24 posted on 10/22/2010 4:18:40 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup
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“What strikes me is that even though Catholics are attracted to this movement, there really is a pretty sharp tension between some of the basic teachings of the Church in regards to politics, the role of government and what we owe to the poor, and what these tea party advocates are promoting,” Schneck told Our Sunday Visitor.

Government intervention in every aspect of business, attempts to set up criminal enterprises in the guise of "carbon trading", pushing anti-christian teaching in the schools at the same time they are dumbing it down, building a two trillion dollar slush fund bypassing congressional oversight, letting outside radical groups funded by radical billionaires write the laws, refusing to secure the borders, stealing car companies from their stockholders, seizing control of the medical industry... none of that has anything to do with Christianity. We can see as well as anyone can that the government is awash in marxists. Including a few who masquerade as Christians, fooling nobody.

Church teaching, he explained, has an inseparable link between rights and responsibilities for both the citizen and the government, with both having an eye toward promoting the common good. The tea parties, however, have argued for rights based on liberty, not responsibility.

Tea partyers have a very solid understanding of the responsibilities of individuals, and families, and churches, and communities, and want to make sure those responsibilities aren't usurped by unelected bureaucrats. And marxists.

29 posted on 10/22/2010 4:48:01 PM PDT by marron
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What the man says is based on the assumption of a model of government that is top-down. It completely misses the point of a government that is bottom-up.

You are responsible to do what you can to deal with what is in front of you. Failing that, you combine with friends, family, neighbors, the church, business partners, investors, to do what you can’t do by yourself. You turn to the community for what can’t be handled privately, and the state for what your town can’t do. Only what you and your church and your town can’t do gets kicked up to the federal government.

People who see government top-down are stuck in another paradigm. There are plenty of them out there, but there is no reason for us to follow their example. Americans do more for the poor than any other country on earth, because traditionally we don’t wait for the government to do what we can do.


30 posted on 10/22/2010 4:57:29 PM PDT by marron
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What is the Catholic teaching on the Tea Party?
Here it is:

The Founding Fathers of the United States asserted their claim to freedom and independence on the basis of certain “self-evident” truths about the human person: truths which could be discerned in human nature, built into it by “nature’s God.” Thus they meant to bring into being, not just an independent territory, but a great experiment in what George Washington called “ordered liberty”: an experiment in which men and women would enjoy equality of rights and opportunities in the pursuit of happiness and in service to the common good. Reading the founding documents of the United States, one has to be impressed by the concept of freedom they enshrine: a freedom designed to enable people to fulfill their duties and responsibilities toward the family and toward the common good of the community. Their authors clearly understood that there could be no true freedom without moral responsibility and accountability, and no happiness without respect and support for the natural units or groupings through which people exist, develop, and seek the higher purposes of life in concert with others.

The American democratic experiment has been successful in many ways. Millions of people around the world look to the United States as a model in their search for freedom, dignity, and prosperity. But the continuing success of American democracy depends on the degree to which each new generation, native-born and immigrant, makes its own the moral truths on which the Founding Fathers staked the future of your Republic. Their commitment to build a free society with liberty and justice for all must be constantly renewed if the United States is to fulfill the destiny to which the Founders pledged their “lives . . . fortunes . . . and sacred honor.”

John Paul II


32 posted on 10/22/2010 5:17:49 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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