Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Oh my! Give this man the 5 cent seee-gar for humoresque!!!!
They do more than reject them... Never have seen such comments coming out of so called Christians as I have seen from the Catholics here. It would be one thing if they stayed on topic...but as soon as the truth is revealed they retaliate with such animosity and nastiness the likes of which I have not seen or experienced off line. It would make one wonder, really, if they are under the influence of a chemical or alcoholic nature as this is the same way they respond....I just cannot find any other explanation for it.
Of course not, there is only one Christ as we all know....but when Christ lives within us He has a way of getting His points across very clear...and further discerning others who may or not lay claim to being His. Oftentimes those without Christ make certain statements which they couldn't possibly make if they were His...and even if given the benefit of the doubt for a time...with time the obvious becomes just that.
I wouldn't be so sure. Given the corruption and variations of biblical texts, the first thing the devil would want to do, I imagine, is make a believer break away from the Church tradition and make him believe various man-made versions of the Bible with nothing else to compare it to.
I would think that would only be true if tradition was superior to scripture and the Holy Spirit does not lead us. If that was true then I suppose anything could be possible concerning demons.
Wouldn't ha-satan want first to change the theology and split the Church? Seems like a brutally effective plan. Divide and conquer. It seem the devil is not aiming at disbelief but at creating a parallel and competing belief to make it a more effective and credible opposition.
That all sounds possible. But for some reason it does serve God's purpose for there to be many Christians out there with profound theological differences. Perhaps it stirs each of our searches for greater understanding.
Okay, but unlike science there are core beliefs that are a "must" in no uncertain terms.
Absolutely, there must be some parameters that define a Christian or else everyone and no one would be one.
Well, yes. It is truth. The point is, everything the Church tells us you have to take on faith. If you thinkthe Church lies to you about Mary, why do you believe the Church when she gives you the Gospel? The source is the same.
God has always been directly accessible through direct prayer, so God has changed nothing concerning that. But as to God communicating through the OT prophets, God doesn't have to change Himself for Him to change direction. It's like Christ fulfilling the Law. It doesn't mean God changed.
Is that a legal question? I don't know what legal significance the birth of Jesus had as the firstborn to the marriage but not to the adoptive or apparent father, but I know that firstborn is by the mother, as is Jewishness in general (*). In truth though, Jesus is the firstborn of God, as you and I know, and that has mystical rather than legal significance. Matthew was writing his gospel primarily to the Jews and it was natural for him to underscore the point, and, of course, in his narrative, as it correctly tells us Who the real Father is, the adoptive paternity of St. Joseph played no role.
There is a good chance though -- although we don't know for sure, there is no single tradition on that, -- that the firstborn son of Joseph was none other but St. James the Just, brother of the Lord, a Holy Apostle and the First Bishop of Jerusalem. So yes, the dedication probably worked fine.
Reading ahead, I see Belteshazzar quoting aptly Ex 13:2, thank you. That is what I tried to remember.
I don't know, is it possible to have communism without corruption? But since He created our individualities differently :) I would presume that different people will have different things to do in Heaven. In addition, there is the matter of whatever specifically "Heavenly reward" entails. Whatever it is, it won't be a matter for jealousy, but just difference.
Well, as I pointed to others and probably to you as well, you believe the Church in other matters, and the only difference where you do and where you don't is in that you believe what the Church wrote down in canonical scripture, but not anything else. The inconsistency is yours, and so's the Kool Aid.
Well, as I pointed to others and probably to you as well, you believe the Church in other matters, and the only difference where you do and where you don't is in that you believe what the Church wrote down in canonical scripture, but not anything else. The inconsistency is yours, and so's the Kool Aid.
In both cases someone I trust told me of certain facts and I trust the source. I trust my grandfather and I trust my Church, and I am happy to tell you of these facts as facts. Whether you believe them or not is not a concern of mine; as the Gospel says, there are people who won't believe even if someone came from the dead and told them.
Thanks for the explanation, it is a very different approach.
You: "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel." Rom. 2:16.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church:
677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.578 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.579 God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.580II. TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD
678 Following in the steps of the prophets and John the Baptist, Jesus announced the judgment of the Last Day in his preaching.581 Then will the conduct of each one and the secrets of hearts be brought to light.582 Then will the culpable unbelief that counted the offer of God's grace as nothing be condemned.583 Our attitude to our neighbor will disclose acceptance or refusal of grace and divine love.584 On the Last Day Jesus will say: "Truly I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me."585
679 Christ is Lord of eternal life. Full right to pass definitive judgment on the works and hearts of men belongs to him as redeemer of the world. He "acquired" this right by his cross. The Father has given "all judgment to the Son".586 Yet the Son did not come to judge, but to save and to give the life he has in himself.587 By rejecting grace in this life, one already judges oneself, receives according to one's works, and can even condemn oneself for all eternity by rejecting the Spirit of love.588
680 Christ the Lord already reigns through the Church, but all the things of this world are not yet subjected to him. The triumph of Christ's kingdom will not come about without one last assault by the powers of evil.
681 On Judgment Day at the end of the world, Christ will come in glory to achieve the definitive triumph of good over evil which, like the wheat and the tares, have grown up together in the course of history.
682 When he comes at the end of time to judge the living and the dead, the glorious Christ will reveal the secret disposition of hearts and will render to each man according to his works, and according to his acceptance or refusal of grace.
578 Cf. Rev 19:1-9.
579 Cf Rev 13:8; 20:7-10; 21:2-4.
580 Cf. Rev 20:12 2 Pt 3:12-13.
581 Cf. Dan 7:10; Joel 3-4; Mal 3: 19; Mt 3:7-12.
582 Cf Mk 12:38-40; Lk 12:1-3; Jn 3:20-21; Rom 2:16; I Cor 4:5.
583 Cf. Mt 11:20-24; 12:41-42.
584 Cf. Mt 5:22; 7:1-5.
585 Mt 25:40.
586 Jn 5:22; cf. 5:27; Mt 25:31; Acts 10:42; 17:31; 2 Tim 4:1.
587 Cf. Lk 21:12; Jn 15:19-20.
588 Cf. Jn 3:17; 5:26. 588 Cf. Jn 3:18; 12:48; Mt 12:32; I Cor 3:12-15; Heb 6:4-6; 10:26-31.
ARTICLE 7 "FROM THENCE HE WILL COME AGAIN TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD"
Thank you very much for trying.
Of course I am, as every confirmed Catholic.
From the verse that follows next:
Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it
While Mary heard the word of God and physically bore Him, other saints hear and keep the Word by obeying the Gospel and blessed are they (Matthew 5-7).
You: Enough of heresy! "For God so loved the world that HE GAVE his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life".
LOL. Everything I, you, Mary the Blessed Mother of God or anyone has to give God had given us first. That Mary gave us the Incarnate Lord is the story of Luke 1-2, Matthew 1-2, often in the face of great peril (Mt. 2:16). I never thought I'd live to the day when that would be called heresy.
That is a pretty accurate satement, Old Reggie, as long as you understand that my "'warm' regards for Ortrhodoxy" are based on the historicity of the Eastern Church as the refelection of the original Church, and not a personal preference.
You know, I'll bet I have asked at least a couple of dozen times how those in the sola scriptura crowd can so blithely cast aside Holy Tradition when it is an historical fact that the canon of the NT was established by bishops deciding what was in and what was out using Holy Tradition as the gold standard, the measuring tool of "orthodox" Christianity. What you read in the NT (lousy English translations aside) is there because bishops of The Church, the guys who believed in, for example, the Real Presence, said those scriptures were in accord with "what The Church always and everywhere believed", Holy Tradition. The ones that didn't make the cut were not entirely in accord with "what The Church always and everywhere believed".
As for the HS protecting you from the Evil One, well, I certainly hope so! Every time I am convinced that the HS is surely guiding me, however, I remind myself of the hundreds and hundreds of writings of the Desert Fathers about monks whose lives revolved around the scriptures, real people who came to spiritual destruction because they failed to discern that a demon was guiding them rather than the HS. Why has the danger from demonic influence apparently fallen away for Protestants over the past 500 years when for all the billion and a half members of The Church, it is a constant struggle to overcome the wiles of the demons to this day?
FK, I sincerely want to understand, even if I likely won't accept, why you folks believe that you individually can unerringly interpret scripture (corrupted texts notwithstanding), free from the influence of Holy Tradition and safe from demons posing as the HS? How is it that Western Christianity is riven with hundreds of interpretations of the same passages in scripture? Do you really believe that "...for some reason it does serve God's purpose for there to be many Christians out there with profound theological differences. Is there any passage in scripture where confusion in the faith is applauded? Contrary-wise what about John 17:20-23? How does a veritable babel of theological opinion advance fulfillment of Christ's prayer?
I never promised anyone here a rose garden. The usual Protestant reaction to James 2 is that, you see, works are "the result of God's grace; not the cause of it" (4143). But the only way that argument would make sense is if the doer of the good works does it without participating in them. Hence, “The Protestant error is that faith produces good works somehow, perhaps, through a chemical reaction.”
If you have another explanation why you tell people that works have nothing to do with our salvation, when the gospel teaches the exact opposite, I'd like to see it. So far, I haven't. If therefore I do not have a very high opinion of the intellectual probity of the people of Protestant persuasion generally and often make fun of them, well, this is an opinion forum and I opine. If you have a substantive argument, I am all ears, -- you, Belteshazzar of all often do, and I respond in kind, and thank you. If, on the other hand, you evade direct and textual questions based on nothing but the text of the scripture, then I think you should expect the ridicule, and I have an abundance of it. Dr. Eckleburg seems to be coming back for more all the time.
It's the oldest approach in Christianity, FK.
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