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To: metmom; annalex
By your own admission there is no historical proof, no Scriptural evidence, no writings from the early church fathers, no nothing to support the contention that Joseph was previously married and had children from that marriage, and yet here we see Catholics arguing for something that has no basis in a DESPERATE bid to somehow explain away the clear reading of Scripture that Jesus had siblings and still maintain the perpetual virginity of Mary.

Well maybe there has been a little progress. At least some are admitting that Jesus really DID have a brother and that, lo and behold, the word used in the NT actually meant BROTHER after all! I still haven't seen an answer to my question about why, if Joseph had other kids, he failed to bring them along with him when he had to go to Nazareth to register his family for the census? If they were left with family instead then why couldn't Mary also have been left seeing as how she was so close to her delivery?

Has anyone ever stated how old James the less was? If he really was a stepbrother to Jesus he had to be older than him. So when was he born or how old was he when he died around 64 AD or so?

5,247 posted on 12/12/2010 10:50:42 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: metmom; annalex

I need to get to sleep, too. I meant that Joseph and Mary had to leave Nazareth to go to Bethlehem for the census.


5,250 posted on 12/12/2010 11:17:24 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums; metmom
At least some are admitting that Jesus really DID have a brother

No one here agrees with that; I sure didn't "admit" that. It helps one who weants to be taekn seriously in a conversation to understand the posts you are referring to or at least point to the one that gave you this impression.

... and that, lo and behold, the word used in the NT actually meant BROTHER after all!

"Adelphoi/adelpheh" can mean biological brother/sister as well as a nephew/niece, step brother/sister, half brother/sister, adopted siblings, and even playmates, in the Greek and Hebrew usage. The "brothers" passages do not prove that Jesus had only brothers of another mother, but neither they prove that He had brothers from the same mother. They prove that He grew up in a large family.

I still haven't seen an answer to my question about why, if Joseph had other kids, he failed to bring them along with him when he had to go to Nazareth to register his family for the census? If they were left with family instead then why couldn't Mary also have been left seeing as how she was so close to her delivery?

Do me a favor. If you have a question to me, wait till I get around to that post and read the answer. If my answer for some reason missed that question, write a Freepmail to me and I will answer that one ahead of the line. However, you seem to have that figure of speech "I still haven't got an answer" which implies that I avoided answering something. Please try "I have a question" instead. I wouldn't be here if I did not want to answer your questions.

Now, the Bible does not tell us anything about the age of the brothers or what kind of brothers were they. I don't think it even tells us that they traveled to Bethlehem (not Nazareth) without them. The possibilities are that they were indeed left with the relatives as underage, or that they were grown up and were left alone, or traveled to Betholehem alone. That Mary had to travel is because she was the wife and a grown up and so subject to census.

Has anyone ever stated how old James the less was? If he really was a stepbrother to Jesus he had to be older than him. So when was he born...?

Ditto, we don't know and we don't even know for sure if St. James was a son of St. Joseph. Yes, if he was, then he would have to be older.

5,646 posted on 12/20/2010 6:07:21 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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