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To: Da_Shrimp
Yes, but the problem with that in the RCC is that if anyone else is present in the Eucharist but Christ, then it becomes idolatry. If no man can be worshipped, and Mary is in the Eucharist, and the Eucharist is worshipped (and it is), then Mary is worshipped. A real catch-22. If Mary is not in the Eucharist, then Christ is not fully in the Eucharist, and the Catholic doctrine that the Real Presence of Christ, the true body of Christ, that was born of Mary, in the Eucharist becomes a lie.

Or so it seems to me.

57 posted on 11/18/2010 7:58:25 AM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: smvoice

OK, thanks - that’s interesting. I thought if the Host literally became a body, then that would contain human DNA which would link it to every other human in existence, let alone just one woman.


59 posted on 11/18/2010 8:18:11 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: smvoice
Yes, but the problem with that in the RCC is that if anyone else is present in the Eucharist but Christ, then it becomes idolatry. If no man can be worshipped, and Mary is in the Eucharist, and the Eucharist is worshipped (and it is), then Mary is worshipped. A real catch-22. If Mary is not in the Eucharist, then Christ is not fully in the Eucharist, and the Catholic doctrine that the Real Presence of Christ, the true body of Christ, that was born of Mary, in the Eucharist becomes a lie.

Yes, and its worse if Mary's Mom and relatives, all the way back to Eve (made from Adams rib) are also mystically present then hold the phone!

Wow, So Adam/Eve and Noah would also mystically present in my body too!

60 posted on 11/18/2010 9:45:50 AM PST by bkaycee
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To: smvoice; Da_Shrimp
Yes, but the problem with that in the RCC is that if anyone else is present in the Eucharist but Christ, then it becomes idolatry. If no man can be worshipped, and Mary is in the Eucharist, and the Eucharist is worshipped (and it is), then Mary is worshipped. A real catch-22. If Mary is not in the Eucharist, then Christ is not fully in the Eucharist, and the Catholic doctrine that the Real Presence of Christ, the true body of Christ, that was born of Mary, in the Eucharist becomes a lie.

Excellent. Ok, you're swerving into the heart of it here smvoice. I agree with your basic argument.

There's only thing that you are missing though, I think, and that is that Mary can be *in* the Eucharist in different ways. Just like I can be here in body, or just here in spirit.

If we postulate that she is in the Eucharist in a mystical way, while Christ is the Eucharist substantially, fully, and really, then of course there is no contradiction. She is there mystically *because* he is there physically--just as in a certain way, my parents are wherever I am.

Does that make sense?

64 posted on 11/18/2010 12:09:17 PM PST by Claud
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