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To: Mr Rogers
The offer of salvation is universal. The means is faith - do you believe God, or not? If you believe, you will be saved. If not, you will be condemned. We are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH, not grace thru election.

Again, I see that you have zero substantiation for any of your claims.

I usually don't debate with Cut & Pasters because I would rather have a discussion with people who are capable of thinking and responding to questions, rather than searching around on the web to find a fellow traveller who isn't around to defend their published claims.

You have been asked numerous times to square your claims that the dead can bring themselves to life, freely shed their enmity to God, seek when they don't want to, understand when the Scriptures are closed to them, and believe in that which they find is foolish and incomprehensible. Instead, like some robot which can't process the myriad of passages and teachings that counter the programmed claims, we witness a reboot that keeps repeating the same unsubstantiated lie as if repeating it enough will make it come true.

Like Paul and Barnabas maybe its time to shake the dust from my sandals and let you keep relying on your own conjured up faith in whatever god hasn't offended you sufficiently.

104 posted on 11/22/2010 10:53:11 AM PST by The Theophilus
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To: The Theophilus

I’m hardly a cut & paster. In fact, I seem to be someone you cannot refute.

“Again, I see that you have zero substantiation for any of your claims.”

You mean my claim that we are saved by grace thru faith? Ever read Ephesians? Let me cut & paste the word of God for you:

“8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.” Please note that it is salvation that is the gift, not faith - as the Greek makes clear.

How about Romans?

“For there is no distinction: 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.” - Romans 3

I already cited John 3.

“You have been asked numerous times to square your claims that the dead can bring themselves to life...”

Already did - the Prodigal Son (Luke 15): 17”But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have more than enough bread, but I perish here with hunger! 18I will arise and go to my father, and I will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you...24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.’ And they began to celebrate.”

The father doesn’t kidnap the son, but the son decides to turn from his sin and go to his father.

Are you troubled by my saying it is by believing we received God’s gift of salvation?

“Jhn 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”

“By believing you may have life”, not, “you may be given life that you can believe’!

“Like Paul and Barnabas maybe its time to shake the dust from my sandals and let you keep relying on your own conjured up faith in whatever god hasn’t offended you sufficiently.”

I suggest you take up running and get your sandals out of town, for your claims are not based on scripture, but pride.

Where the word of God says we are given life so we can believe?

Where does the word of God say we are given saving faith as a gift?

Where does the word of God say life precedes repentance?

When the jailer asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”, what does Paul say? “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

That is not Calvinism, but it is the Gospel. The Gospel - the Good News - is not that we must wait and see if God chose to give us salvation as an individual, but that “the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” - Romans 10

“21And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’” - Acts 2

“24Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.” - John 5

“Mat 9:2 And behold, some people brought to him a paralytic, lying on a bed. And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Take heart, my son; your sins are forgiven.”

Mat 9:22 Jesus turned, and seeing her he said, “Take heart, daughter; your faith has made you well.” And instantly the woman was made well.

Mat 9:29 Then he touched their eyes, saying, “According to your faith be it done to you.”

Luk 18:42 And Jesus said to him, “Recover your sight; your faith has made you well.”

Jhn 6:40 “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

Jhn 6:47 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

Jhn 7:38 “Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”

Yes, I’m cutting and pasting the word of God. Feel free to refute me - FROM THE WORD OF GOD.


107 posted on 11/22/2010 12:49:25 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: The Theophilus
Again, I see that you have zero substantiation for any of your claims. I usually don't debate with Cut & Pasters because I would rather have a discussion with people who are capable of thinking and responding to questions, rather than searching around on the web to find a fellow traveller who isn't around to defend their published claims. You have been asked numerous times to square your claims that the dead can bring themselves to life, freely shed their enmity to God, seek when they don't want to, understand when the Scriptures are closed to them, and believe in that which they find is foolish and incomprehensible. Instead, like some robot which can't process the myriad of passages and teachings that counter the programmed claims, we witness a reboot that keeps repeating the same unsubstantiated lie as if repeating it enough will make it come true. Like Paul and Barnabas maybe its time to shake the dust from my sandals and let you keep relying on your own conjured up faith in whatever god hasn't offended you sufficiently.

Your harsh, unloving, arrogant, condescending tone displayed in this post and many others betrays the Name you claim....

115 posted on 11/23/2010 6:33:12 AM PST by awelliott
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