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Following the free gift of instant salvation the moment you believe, what then?
http://antinomianism-salvation.blogspot.com/ ^ | November 27,2919 | Gart O'toole

Posted on 11/27/2010 10:15:05 AM PST by Benchim

Now God has GIVEN you eternal life. All he asks is that you believe in his Son. Is that it? Your parents can not separate themselves as your parents and neither can God. Your parents will come to the penitentiary to visit you for the consequences of your decadence and law breaking but if you have to look in their tear filled eyes and sit on the other side of that glass , you might want to change things just because you loved them.

You are saved. You are a child of God even if you break His heart but I have a suggestion. Why don't you change your life in gratitude to the Father-- Not for salvation but because of it?

(Excerpt) Read more at antinomianism-salvation.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: grace; salvation
The primary issue following your immediate salvation from the free gift from God is how do I conduct myself. Paul didn't do very well as you read in Romans 7 but he kept on trying. So can you.
1 posted on 11/27/2010 10:15:10 AM PST by Benchim
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To: Benchim

Good point and I agree. But my advice for you is to prepare for flames from the “gracers” on this site.


2 posted on 11/27/2010 10:17:52 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Benchim

THe whole “after” part falls under the process of santification - ie growing in the Lord, growing as a Christian, maturing as a Christian.

The fact that some do it better than others, that some take it more seriously than others, that some make efforts and some don’t, that some need certain things to happen in their lives before they start to take their own futures more seriously, well, that’s what we call limited free will. You could consider it our time to show God, what we will do for God. We only get one.

And yes we will fail many times, large or small, known to many or known just to us, but the fact God says He will still be there and forgive us when we ask sincerely is really the only thing that could keep us continuing to try after our failures.


3 posted on 11/27/2010 10:24:00 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Benchim

Then what? “Go, and sin no more.”


4 posted on 11/27/2010 10:25:36 AM PST by flowerplough (Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia. Or maybe we're North Alabama.)
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To: Benchim

Ephesians 1, we’ve been blessed with every spiritual blessing. Eph 2, we’ve been raised and seated in the Heavenly place in Christ Jesus.
What then? Living the rest of our lives discovering, living in, rejoices in the wonderful inheritance we have been given.


5 posted on 11/27/2010 10:27:15 AM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: Benchim

Thank you for posting.....
Personally, I believe this is a question that new Christians or non-Christians wonder about.

I discovered the answer, (not that I have been faithful 24/7), but I do know what the Answer is: it is so simple we tend to not take it seriously:...
1st: Love the Lord God with all your heart and 2nd, love your neighbor as yourself.

The “what comes next” part will happen to you.

If one takes this seriously, it is a lifelong, 24/7 challenge.... and well worth the pursuit


6 posted on 11/27/2010 10:36:07 AM PST by bareford101 (For me, there is no difference in a tolerant, open mind and a cess pool. Both are open to filth.)
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To: Benchim
what then?

Be very careful ;-)

7 posted on 11/27/2010 10:39:50 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM (Liberalism is infecund.)
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To: bareford101
I discovered the answer, (not that I have been faithful 24/7), but I do know what the Answer is: it is so simple we tend to not take it seriously:...
1st: Love the Lord God with all your heart and 2nd, love your neighbor as yourself.
The “what comes next” part will happen to you.

That is the Law and not grace..so one is saved by grace and kept by law?

8 posted on 11/27/2010 10:43:52 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


9 posted on 11/27/2010 10:47:31 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: flowerplough

Is that possible?


10 posted on 11/27/2010 10:48:40 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Benchim

“You are saved. You are a child of God even if you break His heart but I have a suggestion. Why don’t you change your life in gratitude to the Father— Not for salvation but because of it?”

Yep. And the reward is a more than abundant, prosperous life by doing things Gods way, rather than our own way which leads to consequences.


11 posted on 11/27/2010 10:52:17 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: Benchim
From the blog:
The entire Book of James (the brother of Christ) is an oxymoron. James didn’t give much credit to his brother in dying for your sins or to his crucifixion, did he?

He is just back in the law and “works” like nothing happened. Like many denominations and false teachers.

If forced to choose between the Book of James and the gospel according to Gart O'Toole, I will stick with James.

12 posted on 11/27/2010 11:00:05 AM PST by Logophile
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To: ScottfromNJ
Yep. And the reward is a more than abundant, prosperous life by doing things Gods way, rather than our own way which leads to consequences

The apostles and disciples were all saved, and did not have a "wonderful plan " for their lives that was happy and prosperous .

I think it important to know our salvation carries with it no promises for the now ... we are not saved because it will make our life better, but so that the loving kindness and mercy of God can be shown to the eternal glory of God

13 posted on 11/27/2010 11:06:23 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: RnMomof7

Although I have been educated, I am not smart enough to answer questions about the logic of God and words, without a lot of research (using other people’s words and thoughts).

What I do know, 100 percent, absolutely, 24/7, is the truth in the first scripture I ever memorized when it became real to me that I was loved, in spite of what I knew I was! It was Romans 8:1-4. It still speaks comfort to my being and to my spirit no matter what is going on around me..... or within me....

Romans 8:1-4
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.(Romans 8:1-4)


14 posted on 11/27/2010 11:10:43 AM PST by bareford101 (For me, there is no difference in a tolerant, open mind and a cess pool. Both are open to filth.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I certainly agree.


15 posted on 11/27/2010 11:12:10 AM PST by Benchim
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To: Benchim; All
Romans 7: and you say that Paul didn't do so well...wrong!

Romans 7 is not an island by itself...you must understand that Paul is talking about the sin nature, the old sin nature, which does not vanish upon one's grace salvation. Paul is not an unsaved individual in Romans 7, struggling for salvation, as some falsely claim. Paul has been already called and saved at the time of Romans 7: he is demonstrating the conflict between the spirit (the saved soul) and the old sin nature, which wars against the spirit.

Your understanding of Paul is very poor if that is the primary point you can make. Go study Acts, Romans through Philemon to get a more fuller understanding of God raising up of Paul and Paul's ministry to us gentiles in this dispensation of the grace of God.

16 posted on 11/27/2010 11:27:02 AM PST by bibletruth
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To: bareford101
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.(Romans 8:1-4)

Christ fulfilled the law perfectly for us ... something we can never DO...

When ever we hear we are to DO something it is the LAW ...the LAW is DO ...GRACE is DONE

What the unsaved do not know, because they have not experienced it, is the heart change God does in His kids.. no longer driven by being slaves to sin, we are slaves to Christ and His righteousness. .no longer righteousness by works of the flesh ...but by the spirit of God

17 posted on 11/27/2010 11:39:45 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: bibletruth
Romans 7 is not an island by itself...you must understand that Paul is talking about the sin nature, the old sin nature, which does not vanish upon one's grace salvation. Paul is not an unsaved individual in Romans 7, struggling for salvation, as some falsely claim. Paul has been already called and saved at the time of Romans 7: he is demonstrating the conflict between the spirit (the saved soul) and the old sin nature, which wars against the spirit.

Exactly.....

18 posted on 11/27/2010 11:41:11 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Not a bad idea...

Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise...
Eph 5:15


19 posted on 11/27/2010 11:50:53 AM PST by Chaguito
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To: RnMomof7

The next time someone questions me on this, I will have an answer :) (as all of us are supposed to have!)

thank you.


20 posted on 11/27/2010 12:04:48 PM PST by bareford101 (For me, there is no difference in a tolerant, open mind and a cess pool. Both are open to filth.)
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To: bareford101

:)


21 posted on 11/27/2010 12:07:41 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Benchim

Kind puts God’s salvation similar to instant pudding or jello. Just add milk and water stir till dissolved, put in refrigerator and now you have Pudding or jello.

where is God’s Grace?

antinomianism has been considered a heresy for many many ages.

But that is the problem with today’s Christianity rehashing previous heresies as church doctrine.

what type of fruit is antinominaism bearing?

what happens to the young christian when the babe comes into trial and tribulation - the christian walks away because never grounded in God’s Grace.


22 posted on 11/27/2010 12:15:27 PM PST by hondact200 ( Obama is Nuckin Futs!!! Obama has the Lead Touch unlike the Midas Touch of Gold)
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To: Benchim

Get ready for His Kingdom. If you want to be great in His Kingdom that is coming, learn to be a servant of all. Getting saved by God’s grace is only the beginning. The worst thing that I can possibly imagine, other than spending an eternity in hell, is for the King to tell me that I squandered His gifts and am not fit to rule with Him in His Kingdom. Those believers who have not grown in their faith since their initial salvaton will simply watch with tearful eyes and grinding teeth while the faithful work with the King to rule in the millennial kingdom.


23 posted on 11/27/2010 12:29:33 PM PST by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: Guyin4Os

To follow the teachings of Jesus, to do good for all men, to put other people first, to love God, and try to follow in the teachings of Jesus, is the purpose of your life. Life is not about you, As the Bible says” I knew you before you were Born”, And “ I knew you when you were in your Mothers womb”. It is God’s plan for your life that is important, not what you want to do.


24 posted on 11/27/2010 12:43:35 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (God made all men equal, Smith and Wesson kept them that way.)
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To: Guyin4Os; Benchim
Get ready for His Kingdom. If you want to be great in His Kingdom that is coming, learn to be a servant of all. Getting saved by God’s grace is only the beginning. The worst thing that I can possibly imagine, other than spending an eternity in hell, is for the King to tell me that I squandered His gifts and am not fit to rule with Him in His Kingdom.

We have to be careful not to make our salvation anything but grace .

I did not repent and come to Christ because I want to rule in His Kingdom..I came because His Spirit drew me to Him and made me his child. I love Him and want to toss my crowns at His feet.. Like the prodigal son I will clean the barn with great joy..

God is not impressed with OUR WORKS, He does take glory in HIS work IN US. Any work that does not flow from Him is nothing more than filthy rags..

A child can not make himself GROW UP , that is a natural function of his dna , our spiritual growth is a natural outcome of our new "spiritual DNA"..because with it comes an incredible love of God and His word.. we will desire to know Him more and to please our dad.. and dad will place those things in our hearts

Christ is the author and finisher of our faith..

25 posted on 11/27/2010 1:01:07 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: bibletruth

Paul’s point in Romans 7 is that following his Salvation (belief in Christ Jesus) he still sinned. All sin and fall short of the glory of God. That is why eternal life is a gift from the Father. You can’t do it on your own because you sin. It has nothing to do with how you live your life. Not a thing.


26 posted on 11/27/2010 1:20:09 PM PST by Benchim
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To: RnMomof7

“Sin no more” possible? Not for me. But ‘twas Jesus recommendation. Guess we’re supposed to try.


27 posted on 11/27/2010 2:21:43 PM PST by flowerplough (Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia. Or maybe we're North Alabama.)
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To: RnMomof7
I did not repent and come to Christ because I want to rule in His Kingdom

Jesus said that you will.

I didn't come to faith in Christ in order to rule in his kingdom either. But he said that we will. And if we wish to, we must learn to be servants.

But as to salvation by grace, definitely, it is by God's grace alone, not by our works that we are saved. We are saved from the penalty of our sin. But what are we saved to? We are saved TO good works that we should walk in them.

28 posted on 11/27/2010 4:18:48 PM PST by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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