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To: verdugo
Did you read Gedeon in scripture?

Yes. Fascinating story, read it last night. However , why do you think I don’t understand how God works his miracles? Or more to your point that God wants EVERYONE to know that a miracle has occurred.. The Miracle of the Sun was witnessed by thousands and widely reported in the press. That’s a pretty clear sign that God would provide a miracle "so that all may believe."

You think the consecration of Russia is going to provide another immediate miracle . You said, The conversion "happening over a long time line" (1984 to 2010++++) will not convince anyone that it was caused by a "consecration" in 1984.

It has already been pointed out on this thread that since the consecration in 1984 there have been a series of events that would confirm what Sr. Lucia wrote. The consecration has been accomplished and God will keep His word.

The errors of Russia will not go away overnight. As I mentioned, this will be accomplished in God’s time, not yours. As an example of God’s time I’ll point out the second apparition which took place on June 13, 1917

In the second apparition Lucia asked the Lady, "Will you take us to heaven?" The Virgin responded,

"Yes, I shall take Jacinta and Francisco soon, but you will remain a little longer, since Jesus wishes you to make me known and loved on earth. He wishes also for you to establish devotion in the world to my Immaculate Heart."

That “little longer“ turned out to be 88 years. You need to be more patient my friend. God is in control, not you.

55 posted on 12/08/2010 7:11:49 AM PST by pegleg (Lies will seek you out, but the truth must be sought.)
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To: pegleg
In the second apparition Lucia asked the Lady, "Will you take us to heaven?" The Virgin responded, "Yes, I shall take Jacinta and Francisco soon, but you will remain a little longer, since Jesus wishes you to make me known and loved on earth. He wishes also for you to establish devotion in the world to my Immaculate Heart." That “little longer“ turned out to be 88 years. You need to be more patient my friend. God is in control, not you.

You are changing Mary's words!! She did NOT say "little longer." Where did you fetch that quote?

Mary in fact responded with the words "Sim; a Jacinta e o Francisco levo-os em breve. Mas tu ficas cá mais algum tempo."(Yes. I will take Jacinta and Francisco soon. But you are to stay here some time longer.)

The Portuguese word "algum" does not translate to "little."

The word algum is used "to indicate an unspecified number or quantity" or "relatively many but unspecified in number"...see for yourself here at a Portuguese-English dictionary: http://lookwayup.com/lwu.exe/lwu/toEng?s=d&w=algum&slang=Por

56 posted on 12/08/2010 10:08:51 AM PST by pf707
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To: pegleg

If Pius XII did not do it right 1942 by his consecration of the world, nor in 1948 by his consecration of specifically Russia, then what on earth makes you think that JPII did by not not even mentioning Russia?


58 posted on 12/08/2010 12:10:12 PM PST by verdugo
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To: pegleg
re: The Miracle of the Sun was witnessed by thousands and widely reported in the press. That’s a pretty clear sign that God would provide a miracle “so that all may believe.”

It was not widely reported in the press. It was hidden by the worlds press, except in Portugal. Few people knew about the Miracle at Fatima prior to the late 1940’s. It was estimated back in the 1980’s that about 1% of Catholics know about Fatima. Even today, scarcely anyone knows or cares about the consecration (you included), the ONLY REASON for the Apparition and Miracle of Fatima.

65 posted on 12/10/2010 8:25:00 AM PST by verdugo
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