Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
I don't want to speculate about anyone’s particular circumstances or reasons, and I don't direct this to you or any other former Catholic on this thread, but I have noticed that the most virulent anti-Catholics are former Catholics.
I remember a radio talk show host in the early 80’s who was always disparaging the Catholic Church- as a former Catholic. It always struck me as strange; if you don't believe something, you pretty much ignore it; you don't hate it, unless there is another reason.
In the talk show host's case, he “came out of the closet” a couple of years after that, and it all made sense to me; he hated the Church because of what it teaches about his lifestyle.
I've known others who left the Church, usually for some particular pet sin, usually sexual.
Again, not directing this at anybody in particular (judge not and all that), but just making an observation in general.
Oh, and that beam- yes, it's easy to find; removing it is the hard part!
Amen!
Jesus doesn’t need to be continually sacrificed or resacrificed. He died once for all and said *It is finished*.
Jesus said it was a done deal. How can the Catholic church say that it’s continuing?
Hebrews 10
1For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,
“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”
8When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
15And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”
17then he adds,
“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
18Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
More likely Sola Fido and their behavior has gone to the dogs.
Your religion has convinced you that what you do to Mary is not worship...They even invented a word for it...
But it doesn't matter because what you do IS worship Mary whether you know it or not...
Time spend praying to Mary is time spent not praying to God as Jesus commanded us to do.
Adoration given to her is adoration not given to God, in defiance to the clear command of God here...
Exodus 20 2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
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Putting anything before God or going to God through anybody else is putting another god before the Almighty God, Creator of the universe.
Catholics say they don’t worship Mary but they attribute to her characteristics of God and relate to her as they relate to God. The prayer, or whatever it is that caww posted above, is an excellent example of the kind of nonsense Catholics have built up around Mary.
In light of that, it cuts into their credibility when they deny they worship her.
Theology not your strong point I see. But nevermind. Please find the word Trinity in Scripture. Please using only argument from Scripture prove beyond any challenge that the Triune God is not polytheistic. Do the same for
Hypostatic Union and the belief that Jesus is one person with two natures. For extra credit find the term Consubstantial in Scripture and show that Christ is not a created being.
I begin to understand why so many in this day and age fall victim to the most common of heresies.
Even some of the Protestants who give lip service to eternity as outside of time don't seem to grasp the implications -- they know the words, but not the tune, so to speak. This limited understanding makes it impossible for them to grasp what we believe about the Mass.
Good question! Definitely a spa tub in either scenario.
Do you know what makes holy water holy?
In this context, a priest waves his hand over it and chants an incantation.
I thought Cronos an interesting explanation in posts 2090 and 2095... Thanks Cronos- it explains a lot!
In case I don't get the chance, I would like to wish you all a happy 3rd Sunday of Advent AND Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe coming up on Sunday!
Unfortunately, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Is there no end to your calumny!!. You are repeating a scandal which fails to reveal very important facts. But you know this and persist in it. Why? Because of hatred and bigotry and evil intent. This in a Christian??? Here are the facts that you forget. I take that back you have not forgotten but the full truth does not serve your agenda so you leave it out.
Benedict was 14 years of age when he was conscripted into the Hitler Youth. You probably don’t know what conscripted means so I’ll help you out. IT means he was drafted and had no choice. Here is the Wikepedia entry on the subject.
“Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted into the Hitler Youth — as membership was required by law for all 14-year old German boys after December 1939[9] — but was an unenthusiastic member who refused to attend meetings.[10] His father was an enemy of Nazism, believing it conflicted with the Catholic faith. In 1941, one of Ratzinger’s cousins, a 14-year-old boy with Down syndrome, was taken away by the Nazi regime and killed during the Aktion T4 campaign of Nazi eugenics.[11] In 1943, while still in seminary, he was drafted into the German anti-aircraft corps as Luftwaffenhelfer.[10] Ratzinger then trained in the German infantry, but a subsequent illness precluded him from the usual rigours of military duty[citation needed]. As the Allied front drew closer to his post in 1945, he deserted back to his family’s home in Traunstein after his unit had ceased to exist, just as American troops established their headquarters in the Ratzinger household”
Since you will claim this was all made up in some vast conspiracy of Catholics I include the source material
^ The Third Reich in Power, Richard J Evans, 2005, pg 272
^ a b “New Pope Defied Nazis As Teen During WWII”. Associated Press. USA Today. 23 April 2005. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-04-23-new-pope-defied-Nazis_x.htm. Retrieved 10 July 2009.
^ Allen, John (14 October 2005). “Anti-Nazi Prelate Beatified”. The Word from Rome (National Catholic Reporter). http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/word101405.htm#five. Retrieved 15 April 2008.
That is a man made creed and therefore anti Scriptural. Posting it proves you are in league with the devil.
HEEE HEEE HEE.
No. We understand that eternity is outside time.
Jesus wasn’t sacrificed there. He was sacrificed on this planet on our three dimensional time restricted planet.
You keep being told that many of us were raised Catholic. W E do know what Catholicism teaches and what we believed as Catholics and what our family and friends believed as Catholics.
This business of *You don’t believe are we do because you don’t understand* is without merit. We don’t believe as you do because we DO understand. We understand what is written in the Bible.
It does not support most of Catholic doctrine.
Yet you continually get it wrong when trying to argue against Catholic beliefs. Were you so poorly catechized? That is my more generous explanation. I think rather you choose to belief what your Anti Catholic sect has told you about your former beliefs. Their explanations suit you better so you go with that.
If you had such a poor understanding of Church teaching while you were Catholic I can see why you left. Why I too would have left if there was any truth to what you write about what the Church teaches. But there is not and evidence to that fact abounds. Why do you ignore it?
I never argue that if you understood, you'd believe as we do, only that if you understood, you'd be able to state what we believe so that we at least recognize it. If you understand what we believe, why do you persist in misstating it, and in ways that sound only malicious?
And as I said, it's one thing to be able to parrot the words "eternity is outside of time" and quite another to grasp the meaning and the implications.
I think the Orthodox faithful deserve a mention and credit here. Though they disagree with Catholics on several matters they have pronounced Anathema on those who believe sacred images are idols.
“The holy Synod cried out: So we all believe, we all are so minded, we all give our consent and have signed. This is the faith of the Apostles, this is the faith of the orthodox, this is the faith which hath made firm the whole world. Believing in one God, to be celebrated in Trinity, we salute the honourable images! Those who do not so hold, let them be anathema. Those who do not thus think, let them be driven far away from the Church. For we follow the most ancient legislation of the Catholic Church. We keep the laws of the Fathers. We anathematize those who add anything to or take anything away from the Catholic Church. We anathematize the introduced novelty of the revilers of Christians. We salute the venerable images. We place under anathema those who do not do this. Anathema to them who presume to apply to the venerable images the things said in Holy Scripture about idols. Anathema to those who do not salute the holy and venerable images. Anathema to those who call the sacred images idols. Anathema to those who say that Christians resort to the sacred images as to gods. Anathema to those who say that any other delivered us from idols except Christ our God. Anathema to those who dare to say that at any time the Catholic Church received idols.”
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None of the churches I've attended in the last 30 years bothered with telling me about Catholicism, because they are not anti-Catholic, they are pro-Jesus. They have better things to do with their time. They don't gain adherents by tearing down Catholicism, they gain them by preaching the gospel.
Protestants are not sheeple who believe what their leadership decides for them to believe and dictates it to them. I realize that Catholics can't wrap their minds around thinking for themselves, having been so preconditioned to believe what is spoon fed to them. They tend to assume that everyone is like them. That's called projecting.
But if it makes you feel better to think that they do, by all means, go ahead, I can't stop you.
But I can tell you that you're misinformed about what Protestants really believe and practice.
If you had such a poor understanding of Church teaching while you were Catholic I can see why you left. Why I too would have left if there was any truth to what you write about what the Church teaches. But there is not and evidence to that fact abounds. Why do you ignore it?
The last resort argument of every Catholic on this board. I'll throw this one out to you.
If I was so poorly catechized, just whose fault is it? The priest who is supposed to be responsible for the flock he's entrusted with? Or the nuns who taught my catechism classes?
And why on earth would I want to stay in a church that can't even teach correctly to its members what it considers the truths it holds?
When I first accepted Christ as an adult and my eyes were finally opened to spiritual truths, one of the first things I did was go out and buy a Bible. Nobody told me I had to. I just knew that I needed to do that.
I read if voraciously. In the meantime, I knew I needed to start going back to church, so I did and I actually started by attending the parish I had been raised in. I didn't go to any Protestant churches for months. But the more I went and the more I read, the more and more discrepancies I saw between what was written in the Bible and what the Catholic church taught and practiced.
I finally went to a Evangelical/Protestant church and could not believe the difference. Not only did they teach and preach right out of the Bible, the sermons were interesting, and the people actually loved each other and cared about each other. Something that I never saw in the RCC I grew up in.
I figured I'd go to a church where the people LIVED what they believed instead of paying lip service.
I KNOW WHAT I DO
You mean your religion has convinced you that I worship Mary.
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