Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
Another falsehood. Put up or shut up.
and not only that, you have no way of knowing what the man may have said about Christ in his lifetime
I think you’ve missed a lot of this conversation, because your comments make no sense in the context of it.
“As I pointed out yesterday even Dr. Eck is not in communion with her Church’s teachings on Catholics.”
lol. If you’re referring to this post of yours I ignored it because it made no sense...again.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2637924/posts?page=1921#1921
All GERMAN POLICE UNITS WERE UNDER THE S.S.
That’s correct. And Ratzinger’s father stayed employed until his normal retirement, thus, as you admit, put him under the S.S.
What is wrong with kneeling? Have you ever knelt to pray? I've seen non-Catholics kneel to pray- are they worshiping the bible?
You do not seem to be able to differentiate between worshiping someone or something and showing a person honor and respect.
I most certainly do ask for Mary's help, and can attest to her powerful intercession. Have you ever asked anyone to pray for you? Obviously she does not take the place of the “One Mediator” Jesus.
I am reminded of Mary's role in the wedding at Cana, where Jesus turned water into wine on her behalf. Most imporantly, Catholics are very aware of her last words in the Gospel: “Do whatever He tell you”.
A basic tenet of Judaism is that none are righteous, or "good", that any righteousness that men have, comes from God. Jesus also affirmed this and we know from the prophet, that good deeds avail one nothing. If on his dying, he had given God the glory for keeping the Shema for him, instead of taking the credit himself, he would have shown that basic understanding.
Furthermore now I see that he was a pharisee of the first order, did not recognize Christ as the Messiah but instead followed another man that claimed he was the Messiah. A cursory reading of the NT will tell you that the pharisees did try to keep the whole law, but Jesus told them they could not.
So, who is right, you or Jesus?
That does not mean he was complicit in any S.S. actions as you are trying to imply. EVERY POLICE OFFICER IN GERMANY WAS UNDER THE S.S. BECAUSE THEIR UNITS (WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT) WERE PUT UNDER THE S.S. SO BY YOUR LOGIC EVERY POLICE OFFICER IN GERMANY AT THE TIME WAS ALSO COMPLICIT IN S.S. ACTIONS. THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE ALL LEFT IMMEDIATELY. NOW I WANT TO KNOW WHAT ASPECT OF CIVILIAN LIFE AT THE TIME WAS NOT UNDER NAZI CONTROL? WHAT JOBS WERE OUTSIDE OF THE NAZI PURVIEW? WHAT BRANCH OF MUNICIPAL SERVICE WAS INDEPENDENT OF STATE CONTROL?
You mean Calvin’s Geneva was not a democracy?
Roman Catholic church other than a man who had been in the Hitler Youth, whose father was S.S. and retired on time with no repercussions from Nazi authorities, who was a member of a German anti-aircraft unit who shot down Allied planes, who was held as a prisoner of war after he "deserted" along with thousands of German soldiers as the war was ending, and whose brother was involved in a pedophilia scandal of his own.
Invoking Godwin's law, I declare you have lost the argument. Oh, and give a source for your calumny, BTW.
I said he kept the commandment to love God with his whole heart, etc.
Did you learn your Judaism from Protestant sources too? Try a Jewish source.
Well Christ said he couldn’t so who is right, you or Jesus? I learned my knowledge of Judaism from the old testament, why, where did you learn yours? Who is right, you or Jesus?
An archangel was sent from Heaven to say to the Theotokos: Rejoice! And beholding Thee, O Lord, taking bodily form, he was amazed and with his bodiless voice he stood crying to Her such things as these:
Rejoice, Thou through whom joy will shine forth:
Rejoice, Thou through whom the curse will cease!
Rejoice, recall of fallen Adam:
Rejoice, redemption of the tears of Eve!
Rejoice, height inaccessible to human thoughts:
Rejoice, depth undiscernible even for the eyes of angels!
Rejoice, for Thou art the throne of the King:
Rejoice, for Thou bearest Him Who beareth all!
Rejoice, star that causest the Sun to appear:
Rejoice, womb of the Divine Incarnation!
Rejoice, Thou through whom creation is renewed:
Rejoice, Thou through whom we worship the Creator!
Rejoice, O Bride Unwedded!
you want to claim that the rabbi kept the whole law. Outside of Christ, this is not even a possibility. where did you learn Christianity?
Then why do you pray to Mary?
When Jesus disciples asked Him to teach them to pray, what did He say?
Was it not this....?
Luke 11:1-13 1Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, "Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples." 2And he said to them, "When you pray, say:
"Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. 3 Give us each day our daily bread, 4and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation."
5And he said to them, "Which of you who has a friend will go to him at midnight and say to him, 'Friend, lend me three loaves, 6for a friend of mine has arrived on a journey, and I have nothing to set before him'; 7and he will answer from within, 'Do not bother me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed. I cannot get up and give you anything'? 8I tell you, though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his impudence he will rise and give him whatever he needs.
9And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. 11What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; 12or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"
Now, tell me this....
Where did Jesus EVER teach anyone to pray to someone besides the Father?
Did He ever command anyone to pray to Mary or those who the RCC designates with the term *saint*?
Where did He ever command anyone to pray to someone besides the Father at all?
Is there any record of Jesus Himself ever praying to anyone but the Father?
Why don't Catholics pray as Jesus instructed us to?
Are you deliberately misunderstanding?
In any case, I have stuff to finish up today if you don’t.
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