Posted on 12/09/2010 2:54:51 PM PST by Salvation
As I recall, when Hillary Clinton saw the tilma, she asked who painted it.
Dear Qiux, what is it about St. Juan Diego's tilma that bothers you? The fact that it (like the Shroud of Turin) is inexplicable according to scientific methods? Or do you simply have an a priori commitment that requires you to say that miracles can't/don't happen?
Good point.
Remember Scotty on Star trek or any character would address the computer as "computer" . Lol!!
Too many just do knee jerk reactions to this event that happen to the tilma. They do not read into the whole story at times. You have to look at what the indigenous natives saw in this painting by an angel has produced. The Miraculous artifact is telling them with what they understand that this is the true God to true God above all others from there own old beliefs. This is why I read ten million within 10 years converted and even more during this time.
If your read this historical event the Bishop was ordered to put up a church building where from the beginning they confess Jesus Christ as Lord an Savior. This cannot be said without The Holy Spirit. This is true Christian people. This is the liturgy of the Church. This is what we do in Church. Whether you are in whatever Christian affiliate if you can declare 1John 4 you declare it by The Holy Spirit. This has historically and unequivocally been declared in the Catholic Church since the Days of Christ. If we did it with true love is presented by the Apostle John.
1 John 4 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA) 1 John 4 1Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2By this is the spirit of God known. Every spirit which confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is of God: 3And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world. 4You are of God, little children, and have overcome him. Because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5They are of the world: therefore of the world they speak, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God. He that knoweth God, heareth us. He that is not of God, heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 7Dearly beloved, let us love one another, for charity is of God. And every one that loveth, is born of God, and knoweth God. 8He that loveth not, knoweth not God: for God is charity. 9By this hath the charity of God appeared towards us, because God hath sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we may live by him. 10In this is charity: not as though we had loved God, but because he hath first loved us, and sent his Son to be a propitiation for our sins. 11My dearest, if God hath so loved us; we also ought to love one another. 12No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abideth in us, and his charity is perfected in us. 13In this we know that we abide in him, and he in us: because he hath given us of his spirit. 14And we have seen, and do testify, that the Father hath sent his Son to be the Saviour of the world. 15Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God abideth in him, and he in God. 16And we have known, and have believed the charity, which God hath to us. God is charity: and he that abideth in charity, abideth in God, and God in him. 17In this is the charity of God perfected with us, that we may have confidence in the day of judgment: because as he is, we also are in this world. 18Fear is not in charity: but perfect charity casteth out fear, because fear hath pain. And he that feareth, is not perfected in charity. 19Let us therefore love God, because God first hath loved us. 20If any man say, I love God, and hateth his brother; he is a liar. For he that loveth not his brother, whom he seeth, how can he love God, whom he seeth not? 21And this commandment we have from God, that he, who loveth God, love also his brother.
correction-If we do it in love as The Apostle John writes otherwise it is meaningless if we read till the end of this great chapter in scripture 1 John4.
I laughed at that one. Lol!!
She had never heard of Marcos the Indian.
Where do Siri's answers really come from? I do not know but, Thank God, God knows
Lol!
Lol!
I bet somebody in her office got fired that evening!
It also looks like she is standing on a bull head that looks like a devil, If you squint your eyes.
Signs from God give glory TO GOD .
They point TO HIM.
If you think this thing causes people to give glory to God maybe you are not paying attention to who these people make their alters to and play their music to.
http://www.inside-mexico.com/guadalupe.htm
She also looks like she is stepping out from a sun disk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLpmWc78S9U
The Mary stuff is interesting at about 8 to 10 minutes in the video.
Christ will honor his Mother whether you like it or not. He wanted a Mother. He has a Mother. Notice not past tense. He was seen as the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the World by The apostle John(Book of Revelation). Which means in eternity He has the wounds as a human from the ordeals of the cross and passion. Because he is still human as sinless for all , he is still bound to the ten commandments as sinless Lamb. One of which is Honor thy Mother and Father forever.
When He honors His Mother he Honors himself. Why because he bound himself to the sinless life(commandments). He made the rules not I. He is the same God of the commandments.
Revelation Chapter 5
6 And I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, having seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth.
Parallel RSV 6: And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders, I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth; NRSV 6 Then I saw between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders a Lamb standing as if it had been slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
Douay 6 And I saw: and behold in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the ancients, a Lamb standing as it were slain, having seven horns and seven eyes: which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth.
NAB 6 Then I saw standing in the midst of the throne and the four living creatures and the elders, a Lamb that seemed to have been slain. He had seven horns and seven eyes; these are the (seven) spirits of God sent out into the whole world.
KJV 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
WEB 6 I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, having seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth.
ESV 6 And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
NASB 6 And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth.
NIV 6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
YOUNG 6 and I saw, and lo, in the midst of the throne, and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb hath stood as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the Seven Spirits of God, which are sent to all the earth,
Greek 6: kai <3588> {AND} eidon (5627) {I SAW,} kai <3588> {AND} idou (5628) {BEHOLD,} en <1722> {IN [THE]} mesw <3319> {MIDST} tou <3588> {OF THE} qronou <2362> {THRONE} kai <3588> {AND} twn <3588> {OF THE} tessarwn <5064> {FOUR} zwwn <2226> {LIVING CREATURES,} kai <3588> {AND} en <1722> {IN [THE]} mesw <3319> {MIDST} twn <3588> {OF THE} presbuterwn <4245> {ELDERS,} arnion <286> {A LAMB} esthkoV (5761) {STANDING} wV <5613> {AS} esfagmenon (5772) {HAVING BEEN SLAIN,} econ (5723) {HAVING} kerata <2768> {HORNS} epta <2033> {SEVEN,} kai <3588> {AND} ofqalmouV <3788> {EYES} epta <2033> {SEVEN} oi <1063> {WHICH} eisin (5748) {ARE} ta <3588> {THE} epta tou <2033> {SEVEN} qeou <2316> {OF GOD} pneumata <4151> {SPIRITS} ta <1063> {WHICH} apestalmena (5772) {HAVE BEEN SENT} eiV <1519> {INTO} pasan <3767> {ALL} thn <3588> {THE} ghn <1093> {EARTH:}
Vulgate 6 et vidi et ecce in medio throni et quattuor animalium et in medio seniorum agnum stantem tamquam occisum habentem cornua septem et oculos septem qui sunt spiritus Dei missi in omnem terram
ASV 6 And I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, having seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth.
Darby 6And I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb standing, as slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God [which are] sent into all the earth:
NKJV 6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
Other Related Passages Daniel 8 3: I raised my eyes and saw, and behold, a ram standing on the bank of the river. It had two horns; and both horns were high, but one was higher than the other, and the higher one came up last.
Zechariah 3 9: For behold, upon the stone which I have set before Joshua, upon a single stone with seven facets, I will engrave its inscription, says the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the guilt of this land in a single day.
Zechariah 4 10: For whoever has despised the day of small things shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerub'babel. "These seven are the eyes of the LORD, which range through the whole earth."
John 1 29: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Revelation 1 4: John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne,
Revelation 4 4: Round the throne were twenty-four thrones, and seated on the thrones were twenty-four elders, clad in white garments, with golden crowns upon their heads.
Revelation 13 8: and all who dwell on earth will worship it, every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain.
Haydock, Fr. George Leo [1774-1849 AD]
Revelation 5
Ver. 6. I saw....a Lamb standing as it were slain, with the prints and marks of its wounds. It was of this lamb (i.e. of our Saviour Jesus Christ) that St. John the Baptist said: "Behold the Lamb of God, that taketh away the sins of the world." (John i. 29.) (Witham) --- Here again Jesus Christ is plainly marked out, the Lamb of God, the victim of expiation, who by his death has reconciled us with his Father; and who, even in heaven, bears the marks of his passion, and by the wounds therein received continually inclines his Father to shew us mercy. He has seven horns, as so many crowns and marks of his omnipotence; and seven eyes, to represent his infinite knowledge and wisdom. (Calmet) --- Having seven horns and seven eyes, (to signify his power and his knowledge,) which are the seven spirits subject to Christ. See Chap. i. 4. It is observed that in the Revelation of St. John, the number seven is divers times applied to signify a multitude, and a number implying perfection, and three and a half for a small number. Thus
ROFL!! That video is not horse manure but Bull manure!!! 5,000 percent!!! Psuedo Science and theology meets Weed smoker talk!!! ROFL!!!
Now find some scripture where he says to make an alter and pray to his mother .
The call her la morenita , how much honor could there be to the real Mary in that ?
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