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Are You More Blessed Than the Virgin Mary?
Desiring God ^ | 12/15/2010 | Jonathan Parnell

Posted on 12/15/2010 5:09:09 PM PST by RnMomof7

In the sermon descriptively entitled, “That Hearing and Keeping the Word of God Renders a Person More Blessed Than Any Other Privilege That Ever God Bestowed on Any of the Children of Men,” Jonathan Edwards writes: The hearing and keeping the word of God brings the happiness of a spiritual union and communion with God. ‘Tis a greater blessedness to have spiritual communion with God and to have a saving intercourse with him by the instances of his Spirit and by the exercise of true devotion than it is to converse with God externally, to see the visible representation and manifestations of his presence and glory, and to hear his voice with the bodily ears as Moses did. For in this spiritual intercourse the soul is nigh unto and hath more a particular portion than in any external intercourse. ‘Tis more blessed to be spiritually related to Jesus Christ—to be his disciples, his brethren and the members—than to stand in the nearest temporal relation, than to be his brother or his mother. Come, Thou Long Expected Jesus, ed. Nancy Guthrie, 57.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Ecumenism; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: blessed; catholicbashing; edwards; marianobsession; mary; scripture
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To: RnMomof7

John 20:29

Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”


121 posted on 12/15/2010 10:55:55 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: caww

Because you said you have seen many who have practiced this behavior, whatever it is. As for the rest of it, let’s not be hypothetical.


122 posted on 12/15/2010 10:56:29 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: metmom

It does begin to sound like the catholic church needs a reformation again doesn’t it? I think they tried this with Vatican 11.


123 posted on 12/15/2010 10:57:36 PM PST by caww
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To: metmom

I have also lived and worked with Catholics. No one downplayed anything, when I was in RCIA. As I stated, my personal sponsor was the one who taught me about the Blessed Mother.

I didn’t say it was your problem, I said I didn’t believe any of you (plural) (sect unspecified) protestants on anything regarding the Catholic Church.


124 posted on 12/15/2010 10:58:50 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: caww

Maybe you should say that you have read the Catechism. Doubtless a great many Catholics don’t know their faith, but what they should know is all there.


125 posted on 12/15/2010 11:00:05 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Judith Anne
Receive, O most sweet Mother, our humble supplications, and above all obtain for us that, one day, happy with you, we may repeat before your throne that hymn which today is sung on earth around your altars:

Where are her altars today? And what is being done before these altars and her throne if not worship? I'm just not understanding how a human can have a throne in heaven if that person is not being worshipped.

I guess I'll just repeat my questions to you. P.S. I've read Revelation several times. Psss...you're NOT the woman of Rev. 12.

126 posted on 12/15/2010 11:00:13 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: metmom

And by the way, I don’t believe you are a cradle Catholic. I don’t mind being wrong, but there is nothing about your posts that actually supports your statement.


127 posted on 12/15/2010 11:01:26 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: caww

Don’t the Mainline Protestant churches need it more? They don’t hold much with what Luther taught, except what he has about the primacy of private experience.


128 posted on 12/15/2010 11:02:19 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: smvoice

Let me know if you get an answer on the altars to Mary and her throne questions.


129 posted on 12/15/2010 11:02:25 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: smvoice; Religion Moderator
Psss...you're NOT the woman of Rev. 12.

Nor have I ever hinted I thought I was. Please do not make this personal.

130 posted on 12/15/2010 11:03:12 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: metmom

You know what’s going to happen if they answer it: they worship Mary. There is no other way around it with altars on earth, and a throne in Heaven...Let’s see if someone has the honesty to answer with same honesty...In the meantime, copy that prayer to Mary that was on my post..we may be using that in the future, and I don’t want to be the only one with the copy..


131 posted on 12/15/2010 11:06:24 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Judith Anne

OH PULEAZE. I KNOW YOU, Judith Anne aren’t now, nor could ever be, the woman of Rev. 12. I should have specified “you” as in plural, as in “your church”. Do you really need things so S..P..E.L.L.E.D out for your understanding?


132 posted on 12/15/2010 11:09:43 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: smvoice

I’ve already copied it. Where did it come from? Sounds to me like a made up thing. I have never ever read any reference to the Blessed Virgin having “altars.”

If you got it from a book, just tell the title and author. Not everything is online.


133 posted on 12/15/2010 11:10:29 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: metmom
. It wouldn’t surprise me at all that someone talking to a potential convert downplayed the Catholic worship of Mary.

I have a distant relative who married an RC whose priest spent many hours trying to get this relative to convert.

For nearly every question this man asked, the priest said something to the effect that "most of us don't really believe such-and-such. We're free to think for ourselves."

Lol. Yean, right. Think for yourselves right up until you join the papacy. And them BOOM! It's our way or the highway.

As an aside, my relative ended up leaving Rome and now the happy couple are both Protestant.

And they think for themselves.

134 posted on 12/15/2010 11:12:22 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: smvoice

Well, the way your (plural) tag-team posting is going, I don’t want to make any unwarranted assumptions. Get it? Assumptions? Assumption of Mary?

Because YOU (plural) don’t specify who you(plural) mean by “you.” It could be me, it could be Catholics plural, or it could be “the Church.”


135 posted on 12/15/2010 11:13:00 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Are you here? I am leaving.


136 posted on 12/15/2010 11:14:04 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
Are you here? I am leaving.

Really? Please keep me updated on the threads you'll be posting on.

137 posted on 12/15/2010 11:16:16 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I have noticed you personally seem to have an anecdote about some relative for every point you make. And funniest thing, the relative always ends up (sect unspecified) protestant.

I find all those anecdotes difficult to believe. On the other hand, I have a number of them myself, but they are of no probitive value, so I’ll decline to use them.

Good night.


138 posted on 12/15/2010 11:16:20 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne; metmom
Well, Judith Anne, I'm afraid you're going to feel foolish, because I know your mantra is STUDY STUDY STUDY. But it came from the Catholic Caucus Daily Mass Reading for today. The December Devotion: The Immaculate Conception. Post 15.

Perhaps you need to heed your STUDY STUDY STUDY advice and READ your December Devotion.

Does it still sound to you like a 'made up thing'?? LOL! I'm sure by now you are wishing you had not said that....rofl

Get back to me with the "altars" today and the Throne in Heaven.

139 posted on 12/15/2010 11:19:01 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Judith Anne

The “woman” of Revelation 12 will be the same astronomical signs and wonders that foretold of the birth of Jesus Christ, as I understand it.

It’s what prompted the Magi to go seeking the new King to pay homage. It will appear again prior to His second coming. Born of a virgin, Virgo, approximately the month of September under our calendar, moon at her feet. Jupiter and the star Regulus appear to have played a role, and if so will again.

I’ve seen plausible efforts to regress star charts in an effort to better understand this, and if accurate, Jesus Christ was actually born in September, and the traditional date of Christmas is more representative of the time the Magi or Wise Men came bearing their gifts.

There is clear reference to Mary in this astronomical sign, but there is also the season indicated by “virgin” and the entire event points to the Lion of Judah, born of a virgin, King of the Jews, and will again.

So, this is prophecy; it’s to be fulfilled for those of physical Israel who did not accept Jesus Christ as Messiah the first go around. It represents both past and future, what has been termed a “foreshadowing” which occurs many times in the Bible from Old Testament to New.

I realize this is likely at odds with what you have been taught, but there it is.


140 posted on 12/15/2010 11:22:29 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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