[xone]

we have many Protestants who believe the same as we do that Mary was filled with grace more than other creatures. Lutherans

If your #152 is an example of 'what Catholics believe about Mary', you must be joking about what Lutherans believe.

[Cronos]

I very clearly pointed out in post 148 do note that we have many Protestants who believe the same as we do that Mary was filled with grace more than other creatures. Lutherans and Traditional Anglicans believe the same as we do, so painting all Protestants with a broad brush isn't quite correct.

1. Note -- I did not state that we agree on all doctrine, just on one specific point that Mary was filled with grace more than other creatures

2. Do you as a Lutheran agree with that SPECIFIC statement or not?

[Cronos]

post 152 may differ from what you believe, but let's take it step by step

1. We Christians here in Christ's Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church believe that Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Our God saved Mary, His created being, His mother.

2. We believe that Mary being a daughter of Adam and Eve would have been faithed to have the same "stain" from Original Sin. you believe in that "stain", too, correct?

you agree so far, correct?

3. Mary in the Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55) when she is bearing Jesus Christ -- NOTE: Jesus has not been born yet, He has not yet (in our space-time) been the sacrifice on the Cross she says my spirit rejoices in God, my right NOW Saviour

4. Note: Mary does not say "my spirit rejoices in God, my future Saviour", but she says "in Deo salvatore meo,", "my current Saviour",

This is based completely on what scripture has said -- a Mary bearing the unborn baby Jesus, bearing God, Jesus Christ, does not call Him her future savior, but calls Him her NOW AT THAT POINT IN TIME Savior, clearly indicating that Christ had already saved her even before His saving sacrifice on the Cross

5. Mary clearly indicates that God (Jesus Christ) has already saved her. How is that possible if he has not yet been on the Cross or even been born yet?

6. This very clearly indicates that Mary needed a savior too and her Savior saved Her somehow even before He was born

7. The only conclusion is that somehow before His work on the Cross, Christ already saved his created being, His mother, mary.

8. The logical conclusion is He protected her from sin and in fact "saved" her from sin even before He was born.

If you disagree with this, that's your own free will to do so. However, it is clear -- Mary was saved before the sacrifice on the Cross by her Savior, her son, our Lord and God, Jesus Christ.