[RobbyS]

What are you so adverse to accepting that if the Incarnation came about the way described in Matthew, Luke, and in a different way, John, that Mary's role was significantly different from that of Elizabeth or Sarah, that the Promise was quite different. Great as he was, John was just a prophet, who spoke the words that God put into his mouth. Jesus was/is the very Word of God. The Word made flesh. Mary is Theotokos. Nothing can gainsay that, except you deny the very idea of the Incarnation, as so many modern Christians do.

[metmom]

Nothing can gainsay that, except you deny the very idea of the Incarnation, as so many modern Christians do.

Really? Show us where. Provide the links to those statements.