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1 posted on 12/20/2010 8:46:53 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; ejonesie22; ..

Joseph Smith as the root of Jesse ping


2 posted on 12/20/2010 8:48:26 AM PST by T Minus Four (Duh. We were talking about in the old days or not-so-distant old days)
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To: T Minus Four

Bizarre! Absolutely bizarre!

Too bad they’re following this false prophet. And they must be quite aware of the consequences. Or, are they aware?


3 posted on 12/20/2010 8:49:46 AM PST by laweeks
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To: 4mer Liberal

This offends me to the core.


4 posted on 12/20/2010 8:50:47 AM PST by T Minus Four (Duh. We were talking about in the old days or not-so-distant old days)
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To: T Minus Four

Next thing you know we will be treated to millions of people following David Koresh as another Jesus. Mormons and Muslims share a similar beginning: A pervert looking for sex ith multiple women and children creating a cult for the feeble minded.


5 posted on 12/20/2010 8:54:33 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: T Minus Four

In before the PD again!


7 posted on 12/20/2010 9:01:45 AM PST by Imnidiot (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: T Minus Four
Thee's more to be offended at:

Jesse, in biblical history, is the father of David, making him the ancestor of the kings of Judah and of Christ (see Ruth 4:17,22; 1 Chronicles 2:5-12; Matthew 1:5-6; Bible Dictionary, "Jesse" entry).

Thus the Prophet Joseph Smith fits the scriptural designation of being descended from Jesse and Joseph, of having been endowed with much power, and of having been given the priesthood and the keys of the kingdom preparatory to the gathering of Israel in the last days preceding the Second Coming of the Savior

8 posted on 12/20/2010 9:02:20 AM PST by T Minus Four (Duh. We were talking about in the old days or not-so-distant old days)
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To: T Minus Four
From the article: Visiting Joseph on Sept. 21, 1823, the Book of Mormon prophet Moroni in angelic form...

Stop the tape. A "prophet...in angelic form" is Mormonese for the ghost of a dead man...or an ex-angelic demonic being masquerading as a "ghost."

From the article: ...quoted a number of biblical passages, among them this verse from Isaiah: "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots" (Isaiah 11:1). Some 15 years later, the Prophet would provide a divinely revealed explanation of this verse in the form of questions and responses recorded today as Doctrine and Covenants 113:1-4: ..."What is the rod spoken of in the first verse of the 11th chapter of Isaiah, that should come of the Stem of Jesse? "Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ, who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of Joseph, on whom there is laid much power." Commented Elder Bruce R. McConkie of the Quorum of the Twelve, "Are we amiss in saying that the prophet here mentioned is Joseph Smith, to whom the priesthood came, who received the keys of the kingdom, and who raised the ensign for the gathering of the Lord's people in our dispensation?"

(Thanks for askin' Brother Bruce. The answer to your question is, "Yes, Mormons are deeply --and widely -- amiss!)

9 posted on 12/20/2010 9:02:28 AM PST by Colofornian (Final filtered authority figures of Lds: PR spokesmen & Unofficial Mormon links PD uses)
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To: T Minus Four
The blasphemy alone...


10 posted on 12/20/2010 9:03:20 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: T Minus Four

Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers, do they believe Joseph Smith is Satan’s brother as well?


12 posted on 12/20/2010 9:07:59 AM PST by jjones9853
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To: T Minus Four
An Open Letter to Mormons who are
sincere about their faith...
 
(and slightly embarrassed by the posts of self-styled
"defender-mormons")
 
If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums
you will notice a pattern. There’s a group of
Christians who spend a great deal of time posting
from Official Mormon Sources - both the Book of
Mormon as well as Mormon Prophets and Church
materials - real quotes from real mormon materials.
 
You will also notice that many of these Christians
are former Mormons who left Mormonism and come to
know the Biblical Jesus Christ and His Gospel of Grace.
 
They have a passion to reach Mormons to share what
they learned about Salvation by grace and apart
from the never ending treadmill of human works...
 
Of course, they are attacked regularly by a very,
small group of Mormons who have zeal, but no real
knowledge beyond what the Mormon Church has told
them. You've seen this with your own eyes on this
thread and others, so I'm not telling you anything
you don't already know.
 
Why can't these so-called "defenders" provide any:
 
… Objective Facts
… Objective Evidence
… Or Logical support
 
Anything OBJECTIVE that any reasonable person would
see and agree that it lends support the claims of
Mormonism.
 
Why can't they do this?
 
If Mormonism is true, why is it based only on
subjective feelings and why doesn't it have the
same kind of objective support the Bible does?
 
Has God changed?
 
Is He no longer able to weave His story into history,
into the fabric of human DNA, into the findings of
archeology, and into geography? Do you believe He has
become powerless?
 
I bet you do not believe that.
 
So why would God provide every kind of objective support
for the Bible's rich history and none for the Book of
Mormon? Why?
 
These "defenders" post links over and over again that
“address” things yet never provide an answer that is
buttressed by the ring of truth, echoed by history,
archeology, genetics, geography, etc.
 
If they could support the claims of Mormonism with facts,
you know they would. But it never happens here. You may
be new to these threads, but I've read almost every one
for the past 6 years. I can tell you that it is always
the same as this thread. No facts, no evidence, no logical
argument. 
 
People deserve more than subjective feelings and useless
links to non-answers.
 
You deserve more than feelings and hollow links.
 
After reading both sides on this thread and others,
you may very well be wondering about what you were
taught when you joined the LDS church. You also may
be wondering how to resolve the lack of facts, evidence
and logical suport for Mormonism's claims.
 
You are not alone in wondering this.
 
Many have approached those of us who are Christians
asking where to find out more and some, even, to ask
how to come to know the Biblical Christ and some even how
to gracefully leave Mormonism and start a new life with
Christ.
 
Many here have already set out to finally and joyfully know
the true God and Savior. They understand the terrible choice
of being totally sincere about your faith, but increasingly
concerned that it isn't everything you once believed and hoped
for.

After coming to know the truth, they are on a path that gives
them the rest God promised to His children and the certainty
of His ultimate plan for them. Nothing brings them greater joy
than helping a friend who has the same questions.
 
There are places online that you can visit to learn more about
Mormonism.
 
If something is true, it can withstand any question, no matter
how tough. If it is false, it is better to know while your life
is in front of you. You can read these resources without fear.
 
http://www.irr.org/mit/default.html
http://www.exmormonsforjesus.org/
http://4mormon.org/ex-mormon.php
http://www.exmormon.org/
http://www.mormoncurtain.com/
 
Links may raise more questions and concerns and sometimes it
helps to have someone who has already wrestled through these
issues.
 
I invite you to private FReep-mail any of the Christians
on this thread to ask questions about the concerns you have.
 
We always do our best to directly answer your questions with
facts, evidence and logical support.
 
Take a step.
 
Roll the dice.
 
What do you have to lose at this point? And you have much to
gain. 
 
There is peace and rest waiting for you.
 
 
All the Best,
ampu

17 posted on 12/20/2010 9:14:34 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: T Minus Four
Hail to the Prophet and Merry Christmas. Brothers for eternity
25 posted on 12/20/2010 9:24:20 AM PST by 47samurai (The last real conservative)
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To: T Minus Four

I know that there are a lot of good people that follow the Mormon sect. I can’t really call it a religion but this is just the biggest bunch of balderdash I have ever heard. Comparing Joseph Smith to Jesus Christ. That is just too much.

Christ never wanted multiple wives, Christ never lied, Christ never deceived people, Christ never killed anybody. Other than that I guess he was just like Joseph Smith Jr.


26 posted on 12/20/2010 9:24:53 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: All
Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.  

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Some of them claim being some sort of special witness to you as being supposedly former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would never have an axe to grind or have reason to try to justify their actions by any means? Perhaps not but perhaps so. The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. This doesn't make them an expert on anything and you certainly won't hear them attacking their forner Church.

Frequently they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the "you never address or answer our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you? They often state that these sites provide no answer. They just don't want you looking. It is as simple as that.

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

 


32 posted on 12/20/2010 9:33:14 AM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: T Minus Four; All
The Mormon version of verse 2 of O Come, O Come Emmanuel (if a combination of Joe Smith and Isaiah 11:1 superimposing Mormon apologists had their way, that is):

O come, Thou Rod of Jesse, free
Thine own from Satan's one-wife tyranny
From depths of temporary spirit prison Thy people save
And give them polygamy be-yond the grave
Rejoice! Rejoice! Thee man Joe-el
Smith shall come, ye see, to tell ye tall tales

[JST "translation" of traditional Christmas carol]

41 posted on 12/20/2010 9:50:05 AM PST by Colofornian (Final filtered authority figures of Lds: PR spokesmen & Unofficial Mormon links PD uses)
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To: T Minus Four

“Though the world didn’t know it at the time, the birth of Joseph Smith Jr. would initiate what is arguably the greatest and most far-reaching chain of events in the history of Christianity since the Savior’s mortal ministry itself.”

That event has nothing to do with Christianity. Mormonism is a different religion and mormons are as much Christians as Muslims are Christians.


65 posted on 12/20/2010 11:32:24 AM PST by DemonDeac
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To: T Minus Four

Isn’t it just amazing that much of the “tutoring” that Joseph Smith received was directly quoted from the King James Bible. I guess that it is the accepted version in heaven.


160 posted on 12/21/2010 11:16:01 AM PST by jda
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