Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54
Baptism is the acknowledgement of salvation
Where does it say that?
Trying slightly again.
1. It has nothing to do with the hoax global warming.
2. It has nothing to do with melting the ice caps.
3. It purportedly has to do only with the “cubic miles” of water in the bulge at the equator—above sea level as measured at Cornwall.
4. Those are John Moore’s assertions which he has reportedly verified with a half dozen to a dozen or more senior level retired Navy and some active duty intel sorts etc.
5. They all assert that global warming is a smoke screen, hoax, nonsense.
Had Iscool said "That is a fabrication about God's Holy Scripture. People who make things up do not have credibility." it would have been a statement of his own mind and therefore, not making it personal.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
The church essentially ceased to exist in most of the world when the Roman catholic apostasy began in the third century. It came back in the sixteenth century when the Holy Spirit called on Martin Luther.
Ever read the reformers? That was not their belief.
Galatians 1:8-9
Galatians. Keep reading.
The one thing that is clear is that John Moore isn't a trained scientist of any sorts and certainly not a geologist.
The bulge at the equator is a result of "Centrifugal Force" (F c = mv 2 /r, where F c = centrifugal force, m = mass, v = speed, and r = radius.) The effective centrifugal force is only what is not offset by gravity.
That bulge is not going anywhere. The rotational velocity of the earth is and will remain relatively constant forever, in human terms, and any talk of "pole shift" is nonsense in that is strictly a geo-magnetic phenomenon and not a physical flop of the entire planet.
Galatians is a great book.
So forsake the other “gospel” of the REPLACEMENTARIAN ETC hogwash already yet!
1. John Moore doesn’t claim to be a scientist—notes he’s not.
2. He does seem to be a great analyst and researcher.
3. He does seem to have some great contacts and connections who OUGHT to know.
4. WE HAVE A FREEPER or more . . . who privately have confirmed some of his retired military stuff asserting such things.
You’re reading things into the passage. Also, it doesn’t follow that because later centuries baptized infants in order to cleanse them of a purported taint of original sin that that was even in mind in these limited NT references. There’s no scriptural evidence for that.
"Whoever says that even infants are vivified in Christ when they depart this life without the participation of His Sacrament (Baptism), both opposes the Apostolic preaching* and condemns the whole Church which hastens to baptize infants, because it unhesitatingly believes that otherwise they can not possibly be vivified in Christ."--Epistle 28.*though there was no such preaching by any of the original apostles].
5. Although it be a great sin to contemn or neglect this ordinance, yet grace and salvation are not so inseparably annexed unto it, as that no person can be regenerated, or saved, without it; or, that all that are baptized are undoubtedly regenerated. (chap. 28)Elsewhere, it also makes this statement:
3. Elect infants, dying in infancy, are regenerated, and saved by Christ, through the Spirit, who worketh when, and where, and how he pleaseth: so also are all other elect persons who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word. (chap. 10)Put together they certainly deny the view that you quoted. Even Augustine was fallible.
How exactly do you KNOW that metmom’s group doesn’t follow Mormon beliefs? Seriously.
See post 421.
Hardly — ask her if her group believes in Christ as Lord, Savior and God. Ask her if her group believes in the power of the Holy Spirit, even more basic, if her group believes that the Holy Spirit is the Lord, Giver of life, who has spoken through the prophets and who works miracles today. I have and there has been no response
“Between the average mean sea level AT Cornwall England
and highest mean averages at other points—such as various points in the bulge at the equator—THAT
DIFFERENCE can be as much as 450 FEET” — that is plausible.
Is your group a credobaptist? Does your group baptise people in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Does it baptise infants as well?
Not to be argumentative, but when outrageous assertions about what the Catholic Church teaches and what all Catholics believe, up to and including assertions of Satanism, Catholics are required to bite their tongues. Protests to the contrary are dismissed or ignored by anti-Catholics and moderators alike in the name of thick-skinned discourse. Why should metmom's group be any different or more protected?
I am quite aware that "we" have gone over these things before but just because some refuse to see God's truths doesn't mean we should not continuously discuss them. That you are confident of your magesterium's powers of infallibility is evident but there are many who have not bowed the knee to mere sinful men and will continue to search the Scriptures to know that what is being preached is confirmed by those very Scriptures. The early church fathers confirmed the same due diligence and even challenged opponents to prove them wrong using Scripture alone as the authority.
To contend that "Holy Scripture was birthed by Holy Tradition" is a not-so-covert effort to supersede Scripture by tradition. That very same use of the word "tradition" is most often used to validate any and everything that the self-labeled infallible teaching authority wishes to set forth. A plain reading of Scripture time and time again shows that what some would like to be clouded in deeper meaning is precisely written in simple, easy to understand words so that any person wishing to understand the good news of Jesus Christ may do so and only those who Peter calls the "ignorant and unstable" distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:16)
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