Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54
i understand, and everyone reading understands!
nullify the Church, nullify Jesus. It’s His Body on earth, and He takes those that oppose it personally, very personally! Read Acts 9:4 to see how personally!
I think you’ve missed a wonderful opportunity to make sense, actually. But I’m willing to wait till you do. Thanks.
Sounds like some RC Rabid Clique perceptors need replaced or very major overhauls.
EXCELLENT POINTS. THX.
Really? Who required it? Do you have a link?
And when did they do that? I haven’t noticed any restraint on the verbiage on many Catholic’s part.
INDEED! TO THE MAX.
Try my home page.
One sometimes gets tired of saying the same basic truths relentlessly.
can one deny the Trinity and be saved?
EXCELLENT POINTS.
Though one need not ever be sorry for stating Biblical truths.
to know history, is to cease to be Protestant.
God is One, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, right? that can be answered yes or no.
I don't agree with you that there IS folly in sola scriptura, in fact what I am seeing more and more on these threads is either a total misunderstanding or a purposeful misstating of the doctrine. What I find most interesting is those who claim to not hold any doctrines that are contradictory of Scripture because, by stating it that way, it sure sounds like they are using Scripture as their very authority for doctrines of the Christian faith. This reveals that they really do know what the real meaning of the concept is, and that is simply that the Holy Scriptures are the standard by which we ensure the beliefs we hold are true.
What sola scriptura does NOT mean is that nobody can have their traditions to follow or that there cannot be gifted teachers and preachers of the Bible within the church of God.
Below are the examples
of exalting other deities.
They are real.
They are serious.
They are owned,
operated in,
manifested in,
heart-felt wallowed in
by millions of Roman Catholics around the world.
Pretending otherwise does not change the facts.
White washing it with magicsterical diplospeak
doesn't change the facts.
Rationalizing it with 101 weasel words
doesn't change the facts.
.
.
.
Here's the title:
And it carries the official sanctions of:
ni•hil ob•stat
n.
1. Roman Catholic Church An attestation by a church censor that a book contains nothing damaging to faith or morals.
2. Official approval, especially of an artistic work.
WITH RICHARD CARDINAL CUSHING’S IMPRIMATUR
Let me track down the brief portion of quotes upthread . . .
Here they are:
However, as we've seen through a variety of sources--a pile of them in Ferraro's manual about the Rosary--the Roman Catholic et al/Vatican Edifice disagrees with a lot of the claims of RC's hereon to the contrary.
p.32
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[Quixicated emphases below]
Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth, dispenser of all graces . . .
p32
4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.
5 - She became Queen of us sinners, to assist us through the dangers of this life and to help us in difficulties.
6 - She became the ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power.
"Just as a rock extracted from earth will precipitate into the abyss, so will man, left without Mary's help, quickly slide toward hell." --Richard of St Victor
p37
Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary! --Partial Indulgence
p41
"Mary is the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast." --Prov. 3:18
p43
1 - "Hail Mary, beloved daughter of the Father, Mother of the Divine Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, complement of the most august Trinity!"
p45
6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferred upon all others, 'that she might vanquish sin in every respect.'
.
[Qx: I guess Christ's vanquishing sin was unnecessary--or ineffectual without Mary's assistance?]
p46
7 - "Mary is the dawn of God because, just as the dawn marks the end of darkness and the beginning of day, so Mary indicates the end of vices and the beginning of virtue."
.
[Qx: I guess Christ's conquering on The Cross and HIS conquering trip to hell were unncessary?]
9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.'
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[Qx: I guess Holy Spirit has been relegated to a 'Walter Mitty' role as spouse of Mary? That's SOME POWER to cancel & take over HOLY SPIRIT'S role to draw men to God!]
p47
4 - "Mary, trusting in the word of the angel, destroyed the sin Eve committed by trusting in the serpent.'
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[Qx: Evidently, she beat Christ to the job of vanquishing sin!]
5 - "She desired the safety of everyone, went in search of it, and obtained it; it was also through her that this salvation was wrought."
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[QX: What an unnecessary waste of precious Blood and suffering on THE CROSS!!!/sar]
p47
10 - "As Noah's Ark saved all the animals that entered it, so Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care."
p50
8 - "If she were not so holy as she is, how could God appoint her to be the ladder of Paradise, the advocate of the world, meatrix between HIm and us?"
p50
4 - "By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God."
I gather the
Vatican Alice In Wonderland School of Theology and Reality Mangling
Daffynitionary
does not distinguish between
“CAN’T” and “WON’T.”
Impressive Institutional cluelessness strikes again!
LOL.
Criticizing Scripture alone and then appealing to it to support their most crucial doctrines, the papacy for example.
Questioning its veracity when quoted by Protestants, and not when quoted by Catholics.
It's a real hoot.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
To know history is to know what the Catholic church is really all about, and it isn’t the fruit of the Spirit...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
thank you for your thoughtful repsonse, it’s rare!
sola scriptura when you boil down to it, is a denial that there is a Church, and that the Church was given authority to teach and baptize. in effect, everyone is a free agent to believe what they want, if they can claim Scriptural authority. the truth is, without the Church, there would be no set canon of Scripture. It was only by comparing Sacred Tradition ( that which was received by the Apostles, not tradition such as 12/25 we celebrate Christmas ) with the books claimed to be Scripture, that the Church was able to definitively declare the Canon. sola scriptura leads some to be very close to the Church such as the Lutherans, but it also leads to false cults such as LDS, SDA, JW, CS, ETC.
in your mind, sola scriptura leads you to become your own pope, which no where is contained in the NT. there was a teaching Church in the Bible, and that same Church is with us today. finally, the Bible itself refutes sola scriptura, in 2 Thessalonians 2:15.
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