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To: MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ..

I don’t recall the Catholic church teaching that I must be born again (John 3).

Or that the work of God is to believe Him (John 6)

Or that salvation is through faith (Luke 18, John 3)

And where did Jesus instruct us to pray to those canonized as saints and to Mary?

Or to establish a new system of works by which to earn our salvation?

So establish a new tradition to replace the one He spend three years condemning because it nullified God’s word?

Where did Jesus instruct us to canonize saints to begin with?

The Catholic church of course ignores Scripture it finds inconvenient. That’s why, even though Peter called Paul’s writings *Scripture* the Catholic church dismisses them as insignificant.


1,938 posted on 01/29/2011 7:22:50 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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I don’t recall the Catholic church teaching that I must be born again (John 3).

The correct terminology is born from above.

Or that the work of God is to believe Him (John 6) Or that salvation is through faith (Luke 18, John 3)

Either your catechesis was execrable or your learning was.

And where did Jesus instruct us to pray to those canonized as saints and to Mary?

Why are you worried about Jesus? Don't you mean Paul? 2 Corinthians: 13 Through the evidence of this service, you are glorifying God for your obedient confession of the gospel of Christ and the generosity of your contribution to them and to all others, 14 while in prayer on your behalf they long for you, because of the surpassing grace of God upon you.

Or to establish a new system of works by which to earn our salvation?

Hardly new and works do not earn salvation. However, I suggest that you begin with Matthew 5 and read through until Matthew 8 for further education.

So establish a new tradition to replace the one He spend three years condemning because it nullified God’s word?

It is the Reformation that established a new tradition.

Where did Jesus instruct us to canonize saints to begin with?

Canonization is the recognition of those who have led holy lives and therefore are most probably in Heaven. If you do not wish to consider that individuals may be in Heaven now, that is your privilege. We Christians would recognize those who lead Christian lives.

The Catholic church of course ignores Scripture it finds inconvenient. That’s why, even though Peter called Paul’s writings *Scripture* the Catholic church dismisses them as insignificant.

False. Paul is, with Peter, what we consider to be the greatest of the Apostles. We do not dismiss his writings as insignificant. We do dismiss the writings of Calvin and his successors as insignificant, though, if that is what you are referring to.

2,092 posted on 01/30/2011 9:15:39 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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