[Cronos]

Good point.

I just need to add to my analogy that this hammer has the ability to say NO, to not do something or to do something else. It has a mind of it's own.

But then, does it fulfill the wielder's plan or its own plan when it hits the nails? hmm..... one could argue that it fulfills both plans. And if it does not hit the nail on the head then it does not fulfill the wielders plan.

Now, as to whether this holds true for Islamic beliefs -- if one believes the Koran to be the word of God, then yes, this is exactly what happens.

however, one topic at a time -- your question was whether expressing one's opinions on faith to someone means that man determines other men's salvation. I stated that that is wrong -- and even if one takes the Islamic, etc. terrorists, the basic difference is if :

1. One believes there is a conscious entity out there - God
2. That God is an interventionist God

If one believes points 1 and 2, then a man expressing his faith to another is not man 1 determining man 2's salvation.

[kosta50]

your question was whether expressing one's opinions on faith to someone means that man determines other men's salvation. I stated that that is wrong

My question is still the same: can my religious opinion(s) give someone faith or cause him to loose it? Which is equivalent to asking, can one's religious opinion(s) save or condmen an individual (since faith = salvation)? If the answer is yes, then man is a necessary element in another man's salavtion/perdition, which is not Christian belief.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I just need to add to my analogy that this hammer has the ability to say NO

So you're like the axe, right?

"Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood." -- Isaiah 10:15