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To: Cronos

Somehow you seem to be saying that only Calvinists believe in “once saved, always saved.”

But you’ve talked to dozens of Baptists on this forum who also believe in that Scriptural principle. Not just Calvinists.

You disprove your own thesis.

Again.

And for the third time, we were discussing Augustine’s agreement with the reformers on predestination and original sin. Not irresistible grace.

You lose.

Again.


2,117 posted on 01/30/2011 10:58:24 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
Ezekiel 33
[11] Say to them: As I live, saith the Lord God, I desire not the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way, and live. Turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways: and why will you die, O house of Israel?

[12] Thou therefore, O son of man, say to the children of thy people: The justice of the just shall not deliver him, in what day soever he shall sin: and the wickedness of the wicked shall not hurt him, in what day soever he shall turn from his wickedness: and the just shall not be able to live in his justice, in what day soever he shall sin.

[13] Yea, if I shall say to the just that he shall surely live, and he, trusting in his justice, commit iniquity: all his justices shall be forgotten, and in his iniquity, which he hath committed, in the same shall he die.

[14] And if I shall say to the wicked: Thou shalt surely die: and he do penance for his sin, and do judgment and justice,

[15] And if that wicked man restore the pledge, and render what he had robbed, and walk in the commandments of life, and do no unjust thing: he shall surely live, and shall not die.

[16] None of his sins, which he hath committed, shall be imputed to him: he hath done judgment and justice, he shall surely live.


[17] And the children of thy people have said: The way of the Lord is not equitable: whereas their own way is unjust.

[18] For when the just shall depart from his justice, and commit iniquities, he shall die in them.

[19] And when the wicked shall depart from his wickedness, and shall do judgments, and justice: he shall live in them
This clearly shows how unscriptural is the Calvinist caste-ideas of limited atonement.

John 4:42 we know that this man really is the Savior of the world --> Note, not the Savior only of the elect but the SAvior of the World --> your Calvinist limited atonement is shown as a lie.

Even more so,
1 John2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
And also
1 Timothy 4:10 10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
People may reject this grace, but the grace of Christ's sacrifice is sufficient (or as Aquinas said "superabundant atonement for the sins of the human race") for all. Those who reject this freely given grace, go to hell.

however to say that Christ died ONLY for the elect is a false statement from CAlvin's followers
2,121 posted on 01/30/2011 11:23:41 AM PST by Cronos
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