[Dr. Eckleburg]

lol. So you’re now agreeing with the Protestant view that Augustine was a predestinarian.

Progress.

Regarding irresistible grace, if God sends the Holy Spirit to turn a man’s heart from sin to love of Christ, who is stronger? That man or the Holy Spirit?

The RCC believes that man is stronger than both the Holy Spirit and the specific intention of God.

That is laughable. My vote goes to the Holy Spirit and the will of God. If God has numbered a man to be among His family, that man will, at a time of God’s choosing, know his salvation has been won for Him by Christ alone, and thus he will believe, repent and obey to the saving of his soul. True faith and repentance to the acknowledging of our sins and obedience to His word are all free gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Christ alone. No “co-redeemer” nor “alter Christus” required.

[Cronos]

Actually, quite incorrect statement -- the the Lutheran, Anglican, Pentecostal view is NOT double-predestination.

Only the followers of Calvin believe in the idea that God pre-damns people to hell. No other Protestant philosophy believes that.

If you ask Quix -- do you believe that God preordains certain people to go to hell?

[Cronos]

And secondly, note that this is the Catholic faith, not the 1932 founded OPC beliefs.

we believe that

The first work of the grace of the Holy Spirit is conversion, effecting justification in accordance with Jesus' proclamation at the beginning of the Gospel: "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."Mt 4:17 Moved by grace, man turns toward God and away from sin, thus accepting forgiveness and righteousness from on high.

When God touches man's heart through the illumination of the Holy Spirit, man himself is not inactive while receiving that inspiration, since he could reject it; and yet, without God's grace, he cannot by his own free will move himself toward justice in God's sight

The Church teaches God's grace is necessary to enable man to be lifted out of sin