But God made the final decision. My question was who makes the final decision if you will believe or not? Man or God and betty boop said she, of course! If that's the case then God is a mere provider and man is the final decider. That's not what Christianity teaches and that's not what your own scripture says.
God wishes all to come to repentance, but sometimes He gives people what they want
What about those who can't wish? Paul says he was predestined to preach the gospel; God decided for him (set him apart) when he was born. What sort of a choice is that and where does man's will come in? And what does it count for?
Acts 17:24-31
Who decides if man shall believe and be saved or not believed and be lost? Man or God? Who's in charge?
betty: so the question is, why do they close their souls?
Spirited: Romans 3: 9-20 provides the answer-—their souls are partly to mostly closed to begin with. Plato certainly understood this, as did Tertullian, Irenaeus, Augustine, etc.
kosta: But God made the final decision. My question was who makes the final decision if you will believe or not? Man or God and betty boop said she, of course! If that’s the case then God is a mere provider and man is the final decider.
Speaking of Pharoah and Paul, kosta said: God decided for him (set him apart) when he was born. What sort of a choice is that and where does man’s will come in? And what does it count for?
Spirited: While God the Father “knows the heart of men,” which means that He knows who will ultimately accept His invitation and who will ultimately reject, men do —NOT-—know. This knowledge is not given to men. But if they presume to know-—to read the mind of God the Father-— then by their presumption they will ultimately condemn themselves.