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To: Dr. Eckleburg

read what Augustine said about the Catholic Church.


1,038 posted on 01/27/2011 7:27:58 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg

***read what Augustine said about the Catholic Church.***

FWIW I am pretty sure Augustine would have sang a different tune had he seen what the Catholic Church became by the time of the Reformation.

Oh, read what Augustine said about predestination.


1,042 posted on 01/27/2011 7:33:52 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; Gamecock
read what Augustine said about the Catholic catholic Church.

Fixed it.

1,044 posted on 01/27/2011 7:38:45 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; topcat54; Gamecock
Does the Roman Catholic church teach what Augustine is teaching here? (With thanks to Topcat54)...

It is not, therefore, true, as some affirm that we say, and as that correspondent of yours ventures moreover to write, that “all are forced into sin,” as if they were unwilling, “by the necessity of their flesh;” but if they are already of the age to use the choice of their own mind, they are both retained in sin by their own will, and by their own will are hurried along from sin to sin. For even he who persuades and deceives does not act in them, except that they may commit sin by their will, either by ignorance of the truth or by delight in iniquity, or by both evils,—as well of blindness as of weakness. But this will, which is free in evil things because it takes pleasure in evil, is not free in good things, for the reason that it has not been made free. Nor can a man will any good thing unless he is aided by Him who cannot will evil,—that is, by the grace of God through Jesus Christ our Lord. For “everything which is not of faith is sin.” (Rom. xiv. 23). And thus the good will which withdraws itself from sin is faithful, because the just lives by faith. (Hab. ii. 4). And it pertains to faith to believe on Christ. And no man can believe on Christ—that is, come to Him—unless it be given to him. (Rom. i. 17). No man, therefore, can have a righteous will, unless, with no foregoing merits, he has received the true, that is, the gratuitous grace from above. (Augustine, A Treatise Against Two Letters of the Pelagians, Book 1, Chap. 7)

1,050 posted on 01/27/2011 7:47:13 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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