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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
St Ignatius letters must be attacked, because if they are true, Protestantism must be false. Of course, the fact that when St Ignatius wrote these letters, as attested to and quoted by other Fathers, he could not have known of the 16th century rebels, could he?

Nice to see you starting sentences with a capital for a change. :o)

No, I was not attacking anyone. And regardless of what a first or even fourth century person writes or is thought to have written, it is still NOT Scripture. Do we have agreement on that point?

I'm seeing this pattern you have where you seem to state that anything "Protestant" is heresy and anything attributed to "Catholic" is truth. Am I understanding you clearly here?

My belief and faith is based upon what the Word of God, the Holy Scriptures, state and also what I have experienced when I placed my trust and faith in who those Scriptures spoke of. Jesus Christ, God Almighty incarnate, came to earth in the form of a man and lived a perfect, sinless life. He then gave that life to die in my place as payment for all my sins - the payment I could never have made with any hope of ever seeing God for all eternity. He did that because he loved me and he did that for everyone else that ever lived or ever will live. He did that out of love and pure grace and grace means no one deserves or ever can earn it. In fact, it HAD to be by grace, because there was no other way.

When through faith we accept God's gift of grace, we are adopted into his eternal family, made joint-heirs with Christ, indwelt with his Holy Spirit as a guarantee that we will be with him forever when we die. When we sin, he is ever ready to draw us back into fellowship and will always forgive us when we "come clean" to him. God is our Father and he remakes us into the image of Christ when we first put our faith in him. He never stops working in us to develop us into holy people, called out from the world, in the world but not of the world any longer.

Now this is only a small part of what I believe, anything strike you as "out-there" and heretical?

1,071 posted on 01/27/2011 8:38:33 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums

yes, we agree it’s not Scripture. we both agree on the Catholic 27 book NT. where the Protestant agrees with the Catholic Church, they teach truth ( trinity, divinity of Jesus, his sacrificial death, salavation by grace alone, 27 book NT, virgin birth, performing good works because of faith ) the problem i have is the concious attacking the Church with false accusations, i can’t judge your soul, but anyone truly touched by the Holy SPIRIT and is a believer in Jesus, would not be involved in such activity. Rev 12:10 “and i heard a loud voice saying in heaven, now is come salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethern is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”
yes, there are several points where your belief is not correct, namely you reject baptismal regeneration. The Bible and Church have always taught we have our sins washed away, receive the Holy Spirit and are placed “in Christ” by baptism. it is not symbolic. there is a lot of truth what you said, especially your definition of grace, it’s beautiful. the other problem you have is Jesus prayed in John 17 that we all be One, Paul says there is one bread, one baptism, one Lord, one faith. by breaking fellowship with the Church, you are violating John 17 and 1 Corinthians 1.


1,078 posted on 01/27/2011 9:00:24 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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