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To: Cronos
And especially for you, Metmom, a sermon on why Jesus Christ is God from Holy Trinity Lutheran Church sermons.

Why? Why especially for me?

Why are you changing the subject just for me?

1,183 posted on 01/28/2011 5:34:11 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Because I’m being nice and giving you detailed proof on why Jesus Christ is BOTH True man and True God. Jesus Christ is our Lord and our God. There’s a lot more there to help you to know Jesus Christ as God.


1,185 posted on 01/28/2011 5:38:49 AM PST by Cronos
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To: metmom
From the catechism
The anaphora: with the Eucharistic Prayer - the prayer of thanksgiving and consecration - we come to the heart and summit of the celebration:
.. the Church gives thanks to the Father, through Christ, in the Holy Spirit, for all his works: creation, redemption, and sanctification. the whole community thus joins in the unending praise that the Church in heaven, the angels and all the saints, sing to the thrice-holy God.

the Church asks the Father to send his Holy Spirit on the bread and wine, so that by his power they may become the body and blood of Jesus Christ and so that those who take part in the Eucharist may be one body and one spirit.
Then it goes on to say
In the anamnesis that follows, the Church calls to mind the Passion, resurrection, and glorious return of Christ Jesus; she presents to the Father the offering of his Son which reconciles us with him.
anamnesis as seen in 1 Corinthians 11:24–26 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.


verse 26 explains "do this in memory" as it says that this anamnesis involves a proclamation of the Lord's death in this act of consecration.

Anamnesis denotes how an abstract idea relates to the real world.

Thius ties in to the Hebrew word zikaron which means memorial and has the same usage and connotations as anamnesis.

just as passover is a participation in the original exodus more than simply a remembrance, the Eucharist too is a participation in the sacrifice of Christ

So, it works both from Greek and Hebrew when Paul writes that Jesus said eis ten emen anamnesin. When Jesus said this, do this in memory of me, He said "do this ten emen anamnesin" He meant more than just a symbol.
1,186 posted on 01/28/2011 5:53:02 AM PST by Cronos
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To: metmom
you can also read the website called to communion which address the Reformed folks -- ok, this should actually be directed to the others, but never mind, I'll also send it to you
A second problem with the Reformed conception is the following dilemma. If God the Father was pouring out His wrath on the Second Person of the Trinity, then God was divided against Himself, God the Father hating His own Word.

God could hate the Son only if the Son were another being, that is, if polytheism or Arianism were true.

But if God loved the Son, then it must be another person (besides the Son) whom God was hating during Christ’s Passion. And hence that entails Nestorianism, i.e. that Christ was two persons, one divine and the other human. He loved the divine Son but hated the human Jesus.

Hence the Reformed conception conflicts with the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity

1,187 posted on 01/28/2011 5:55:52 AM PST by Cronos
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