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To: Cronos
# The sacrifice is done, it will not be repeated ...It CANNOT be repeated. Once is once.

# God exists outside time, as does heaven...The Spirit of God lives within me, I'm not outside of time.

# The mass is the participation in the same heavenly offering, the same sacrifice.... How can it be the same sacrifice when it cannot be repeated? It's more like mimicking His death.

Catholics are mocking the death of Christ with this ritual. Well, 30% are - Only 30% of [Roman] Catholics said believe they are really and truly receiving the body, blood, soul and divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ under the appearance of bread and wine.

It's not so strange why Christ's death is the daily focus of the counterfeit church; so much so, that it makes it's own doctrine - when The Power is in HIS RESURRECTION where death, hell and the grave (satan) were defeated.
1,212 posted on 01/28/2011 8:35:10 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name; Cronos
This is a waste of time, but anyway:

# The sacrifice is done, it will not be repeated ...It CANNOT be repeated. Once is once.

No argument there.

# God exists outside time, as does heaven...The Spirit of God lives within me, I'm not outside of time.

In our view: if you are "in Christ" (and he in you), you are a kind of hybrid, both temporal and eternal. This relates to the wonder of the Incarnation when the wall between Creator and creature was breached. He "came down" to us to "draw us up" to him, wherefore it is written, "He has gone up on high and led captivity captive."

# The mass is the participation in the same heavenly offering, the same sacrifice.... How can it be the same sacrifice when it cannot be repeated? It's more like mimicking His death.

This question reveals the seam in thought. We think that God is eternal, and that eternity "comprehends" time so that all times are "now" to God. So Peter's addition to Psalm 90:4 (in 2 Pet 3:8) "... that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

We hold that it is incoherent to hold that God, outside the Incarnation, is subject to time or 'caused' by any other thing. Therefore He does not change, therefore he is eternal, and all time is in His "now."

As you say, the Spirit (which we hold to be eternal also) is in us and in the Church. By the work of that Spirit (operating through what I facetiously call "the wonder of eternity") the "now" of the sacrifice is united with our "now." Therefore it is, in our view, not a repetition or a piece of mimicry. It IS, by the working of God, the identical sacrifice, which we hold to be all-sufficient.

1,217 posted on 01/28/2011 10:57:21 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: presently no screen name
It's not so strange why Christ's death is the daily focus of the counterfeit church; so much so, that it makes it's own doctrine - when The Power is in HIS RESURRECTION where death, hell and the grave (satan) were defeated.

Amen.

I Corinthians 15:14-19

And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all others.

1,266 posted on 01/28/2011 7:49:03 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: presently no screen name

if the Catholic Church is the “counterfeit church”, please tell me where the “true” Church was from 95ad til 1517? you do believe the gates of hell would not prevail against it, right? if so, we should be able to find it throughout time, correct?


1,267 posted on 01/28/2011 7:56:21 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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