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To: HarleyD
but this is an excellent example of how Roman Catholicism has fallen away from the faith. It no longer believes in the atonement of Christ. Rather, to Roman Catholics the death of Christ upon the cross is an "act of self-giving" of love. Likewise, we too should give ourselves up just as Christ gave Himself up for us. The Holy Spirit isn't a third person of the God-head. Instead the Holy Spirit becomes "love".

This isn't heresy. This is blasphemy and is illustrative of a cult. Christ's act upon the cross was not an act of self-giving. It was a redemptive act of sacrifice in which He physically had to atone for our sins. The Holy Spirit is a living person or the Trinity just as real as Christ or God the Father. His mission is not love but to bring glory to Christ. Love is a characteristic of the nature of the Holy Spirit. I would suggest you read some of the early church fathers on the atonement; not the dribble that comes from the Church today.

It is remarkable how much can be made of "the woman's seed" or the Passover Lamb's bones not being broke, but when it comes to the simple and obvious things, Roman Catholics fail to see the forest for the trees. This is a perfect illustration of the depths of mysticism the Catholic Church has fallen into and how they have departed from the true faith. Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin. (Heb 9:22)

So insightful, Harley. Rome has no concept of what the atonement really means. To Rome, it's just a feminized, feel-good emotion rather than a supernatural act of payment for sin.

978 posted on 01/27/2011 4:09:14 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"...a feminized, feel-good emotion rather than a supernatural act of payment for sin."

There's certainly a lot of that going around,amongst much of christendom.

I've posted before that simply getting the FACT of your salvation through Jesus Christ to 'sink in' (which is THE work of God!) is enough to make the entire universe explode in your face!

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:13)

The above verse seems to be saying you need to KNOW you are saved in order to do the very work of God!

Going to a church that doesn't even know wether they are saved and/or has little more than "a feminized, feel-good emotion" opinion of salvation is more like visiting an orphanage than a family gathering.

Children preening themselves in order to attract favour from a prospective parent,which is beyond sad.

Welcome home...to a place where you might end up being accepted?

1,074 posted on 01/27/2011 8:53:13 PM PST by mitch5501 (fine!)
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