Pope includes Hindu verses in prayers on Good Friday

merinews ^ | Apr 14, 2009

[presently no screen name]

Contrary to the best efforts of the Reformation's Catholic church's propaganda instruments St. Paul was not a Protestant Catholic nor a priest. ... Fixed it for you.

Now that will make a dent into their RomanCatholicComedy routine.

NL: Ya think the RCC might have a control problem?

"My Father, who has given them to ME, is GREATER than ALL; NO ONE can snatch them out of My Father's hand". John 10:29

It's ALL about JESUS!

[presently no screen name]

Contrary to the best efforts of the Reformation's Catholic church's propaganda instruments St. Paul was not a Protestant Catholic nor a priest. ... Fixed it for you.

Now that will make a dent into their RomanCatholicComedy routine.

NL: Ya think the RCC might have a control problem?

"My Father, who has given them to ME, is GREATER than ALL; NO ONE can snatch them out of My Father's hand". John 10:29

It's ALL about JESUS!

[Natural Law]

"Ya think the RCC might have a control problem?"

Not at all. We are all free to pursue our individual paths to Salvation. Some, like you have gone astray choosing to trust gut instinct and the self aggrandizing teachings of men, others follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit through Church.

[presently no screen name]

choosing to trust gut instinct and the self aggrandizing teachings of men

That's what I left - man made teachings and every other doctrine of the devil. The RCC still wants to 'claim' me with their 'once a catholic, always a catholic' INSANITY - CONTROL tactic.

I belong to JESUS, not an organization where "...the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour" and CONTROL.

[Quix]

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[HossB86]

That is patently false, but since the hundreds of previous rebuttals in this forum have not opened your eyes no amount of additional information from me will have any effect

Problem is that the 'hundreds of previous rebuttals' were in themselves false! Repeating falsehoods doesn't make a truth no matter how often it's repeated.

$$$$$$$ had nothing to do with it except in the propaganda of the reformation Roman Catholic Church.

There. Fixed your mistake.

Hoss

[HossB86]

Catechism #841

841 - The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

Holy Frijoles!!!! Oh, my goodness. If Roman Catholics cannot see this heresy -- no, not only heresy but blasphemy -- if they cannot refute this blasphemy to their leadership, then they are standing on a precipice that will result in their doom.

I had no idea that the RCC espoused this garbage. Thanks for opening more eyes, Gramma.

Hoss

[metmom]

Not at all. We are all free to pursue our individual paths to Salvation.

If there are legitimate individual paths of salvation, than you cannot claim that we've *gone astray*.

You would be incapable of knowing that it is a false path and not OUR individual path of salvation.

Some, like you have gone astray choosing to trust gut instinct and the self aggrandizing teachings of men, others follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit through Church.

We're not the ones quoting the *church fathers* and other opinion pieces as our point of authority for spiritual matters, so indeed, we're the ones following the Holy Spirit.

Catholics need to start thinking for themselves and stop following the teachings and changeable doctrines of men.

[presently no screen name]

if they cannot refute this blasphemy to their leadership, then they are standing on a precipice that will result in their doom.

Exactly! Their allegiance to the RCC is commanded of them; so they obey man and, thus, align themselves (in agreement) with this blasphemy.

I had no idea that the RCC espoused this garbage

Amazing, isn't it? And, yet, some 'try' to defend it.

[RnMomof7]

Again patently false. Although the first documented referenced came from the Synod of Elvira which was held in 305 AD in Hispania Baetica which is in modern day Spain,

That (Elvira) was a LOCAL council valid only for that diocese it was not an ecumenical church council and so not binding on the entire church .... the REASON that council so ruled was because of the loss of church property to the families of married priests. .

there were numerous other contemporaneous citations, not the least of which was by St. Ambrose who referred to the Old testament practice of priests refraining from sex in the days leading up to sacrifice and how the [then] modern priests were obliged to do the same. $$$$$$$ had nothing to do with it except in the propaganda of the reformation.

It has everything to do with it

It was 1st Lateran Council that decreed that clerical marriages were invalid. 1123

"The church cannot escape the grip of the laity unless priests first escape from their wives". Pope Gregory VII

[presently no screen name]

If there are legitimate individual paths of salvation, than you cannot claim that we've *gone astray*.

How true. That nips the 'gone astray' teaching in the bud.

We're not the ones quoting the *church fathers* and other opinion pieces as our point of authority for spiritual matters, so indeed, we're the ones following the Holy Spirit.

NL - there's more truth as it shows a more accurate difference between two opposing beliefs. One rests on man and one rests on the Holy Spirit inspired Word of God.

Thanks, NL, for your post. It gave an opportunity for that misconception that catholics are taught to be addressed with truth. And, we both can thank, metmom, for being ".. prepared in season and out of season.."

[conservativegramma]

You’re very welcome Hoss.

Regarding the #841 Catechism, I’ve never had a response whenever I post that one. Wonder why???? ;)

[conservativegramma]

If there are legitimate individual paths of salvation, than you cannot claim that we've *gone astray*. You would be incapable of knowing that it is a false path and not OUR individual path of salvation.

Bravo! Nailed it metmom!

[Quix]

Regarding the #841 Catechism, I’ve never had a response whenever I post that one. Wonder why???? ;)

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Becvause virtually all the frequent RC posters hereon

seem to be

UTTERLY ALLERGIC

TO THE TRUTH.

—THE TRUTHS OF SCRIPTURE
—THE TRUTHS OF HISTORY
—THE TRUTHS OF THEIR OWN VATICAN CULT.

[HossB86]

Regarding the #841 Catechism, I’ve never had a response whenever I post that one. Wonder why???? ;)

No kidding! Kinda puts the collective foot in the collective mouth of the Roman Catholic Church.

Hoss

[Natural Law]

"Regarding the #841 Catechism, I’ve never had a response whenever I post that one. Wonder why????"

It would be a lie to state that no Catholic has ever responded or defended that portion of the Catechism. I would also be a lie to leave CCC - 841 stand alone out of the context in which it was presented. To imply that Muslims are somehow a special group of non-Catholics denies the chronological presentation of the discussion:

CCC - 842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .

CCC - 843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."

CCC - 844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them: Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.

CCC - 845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.

Now what specifically of the following three sections do you disagree with or deny?

[conservativegramma]

LOL. Post 996 Helps the RCC's case exactly how? (Hint: It proves my case and makes the RCC look even worse!)

Look it from your own post:

CCC-842 - "The Church's bond with non-Christian religions...... You have no problem with that? Enough said about the corrupted state of the RCC.

John 14:6 - I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no man comes to the Father, but by ME - Christ's own words

Jesus didn't say the way is through Budda, Hare Krishna, Allah, Zeus, Or Joseph Smith. He said it was only through Him. The attempted rebuttal using these reprehensible catechisms is yet more hogwash, totally separated of the true faith, and darn right blasphemous. A few centuries ago a 'Pope' who wrote this nonsense would have been burned as a heretic.

CCC - 843 - ...the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions.... Now 'the church' has completely jumped the shark. "Goodness in all religions" - please. "Truth in all religions" - double please. Now 'the church' has even parted company from the Apostles!

Galatians 1:9 (Paul) - As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

2 John (John) 9-11 -Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.

CCC - 845 The Church is "the world reconciled."

Blasphemy. 'The Church' doesn't reconcile anyone regarding salvation or 'the world' - CHRIST DOES!

Romans 5:10 - For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Colossians 1:20 - and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

Colossians 1:22 - yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach--

And don't give me any, "But the church represents Christ" nonsense. A TRUE church would never USURP His power, PURPOSE, or GLORY.

This section of 845 is even worse - According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.

Unbelievable. 'The Church' is now proclaiming to be the agent of salvation. More USURPATION of Christ's Power, Glory, and Authority.

Spinning the above, not being able to recognize the BLASPHEMY in the above tells me all I need to know about the condition of members of the RCC! (Hint: And its not positive).

[Natural Law]

"Jesus didn't say the way is through Budda, Hare Krishna, Allah, Zeus, Or Joseph Smith. "

It is exactly for such as those that Christ came (see Mark 2:17 and Luke 5:32). The Church is merely His instrument.

[conservativegramma]

It is exactly for such as those that Christ came

Christ came to save sinners yes, He did not come to save them through false gods or false prophets. I repeat again:

John 14:6 - I and the way, and the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the Father but by Me."

Acts 4:12 - "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

No other name. (That includes a hierarchy of Magisterium).

[metmom]

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