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To: ReverendJames
I used to attend Calvary Costa Mesa back in the late 70s and know that Dr. Martin didn't agree with all of Calvary's teachings. I'd venture to say that not all Calvary pastors are in agreement with Pastor Chuck Smith and all his teachings all the time. Most likely in this instance also. I also remember that Dr. Martin said that 90% of people he'd interviewed were "heretics" in terms of how they described the nature of the Trinity. He didn't call them heretics to shame them but to help them understand that some teachings are hard to understand and convey. We are not saved by a perfect understanding or dogma, but God's grace.

I have known Calvary's teaching long enough to know that they clearly don't condone abortion; far from it. They clearly don't in any way prescribe the Emergent church. I know a professor who studies the Emergent church and he mentions to me all the time how antagonistic Calvary Chapel is it to it. I think that Chuck was speaking out of compassion to this woman (whether right or wrong) as a father and grandfather given her predicament. Pastor Chuck is not perfect (nor is any pastor) and if you look for perfection in any teacher then there is no one left to listen to but yourself.
14 posted on 02/12/2011 2:34:24 PM PST by SantaLuz
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To: SantaLuz

I attended Calvary Chapel just to be in Walter Martin’s classes. I first attended his classes in the Anaheim circle theater near Disneyland. After Mr. Martin started teaching at Calvary Chapel I went there. I attended for about two years driving the 220 mile round trip from Santa Barbara every Sunday. Dr. Martin would sometimes come up to SB to CC’s seed church. I don’t remember Pastor Smith very much.


16 posted on 02/12/2011 2:48:07 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White)
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To: SantaLuz

“I think that Chuck was speaking out of compassion to this woman (whether right or wrong) as a father and grandfather given her predicament. Pastor Chuck is not perfect (nor is any pastor) and if you look for perfection in any teacher then there is no one left to listen to but yourself.”

You win the moral relativism award for the day. What a pass you just gave this guy. Lemme guess....you were ok with starving Terri Schiavo to death, too, right? After all, it was the “compassionate” thing. */ sarc


18 posted on 02/12/2011 2:51:12 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: SantaLuz
I'd venture to say that not all Calvary pastors are in agreement with Pastor Chuck Smith and all his teachings all the time.

About a decade ago, I heard a Chuck Smith / Calvary Chapel radio series on the Book of Revelation, in which he claimed that during the millennial reign of Christ, there will be a restoration of animal sacrifices in the rebuilt temple. He admitted this view (temple-based animal sacrifices post-Second Coming) appears to be in conflict with Jesus' once-for-all sacrifice, but he maintained that the millennial-timed offering of animal sacrifices is taught in the Bible.

I stopped listening to Chuck Smith after that. No one has offered me a good reason to start again.

When an organization as large and powerful as Calvary Chapel is utterly devoid of checks and balances or doctrinal, financial, and moral accountability, the results will not be surprising: abuse, power-struggles, and the oft-unspoken fear of raising even the smallest objection to the whims of the powers that be.
-- from the thread Chuck Smith, Calvary Chapel, and their Ignorance Fest on Calvinism

"...the Calvary Distinctives are a whole lot different than the Westminster Confession. Anyone who reads the Calvary document should be troubled that Chuck Smith makes no reference to God as a Trinity, or to the Deity of Jesus Christ. You can believe in almost anything so long as you behave in the right way."
-- Alex Murphy, Post #48 on that same thread

Related threads:
Losing My Religion
Father, Son and Holy Rift [Calvary Chapel/Chuck Smith]
Biometric Scanning Reportedly Used by Millions of Consumers [Chuck Smith / Mark of the Beast]
Kestler speaks out - Calvary Chapel pastor responds to news story
Making Bad Prophecy Predictions Vanish
Chuck Smith, Calvary Chapel, and their Ignorance Fest on Calvinism
22 posted on 02/12/2011 3:29:32 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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