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To: Zionist Conspirator

Zionist Conspirator:

Your way off base. The real presence in the Eucharist, if it could be proved scientifically, would be problematic. It is ultimately a mystery of Faith, which is what the sacraments in Greek were called “mysterion” in Greek was translated into “sacramentum” by St. Jerome and our english words Mystery and Sacrament are derived from those Greek ande Latin Words.

Transubstantiation does not require scientific verification, neither does the Incarnation, the Trinity or the Resurrection. Transubstantiation is a dogma that is based on metaphysics [i.e. philosophy].

All the Church requires is that I believe that God created the world and all things seen and unseen and that God created the world from Nothing. Whether the 6 days in Genesis is “Literal” or “Allegorical” does not, regardless of what view you take, change any doctrine or dogma of the Church. All the Creeds of the early Church affirmed that God created everything and the fact that science suggests that the world is older than 6,000 years does not shake my faith at all as I don’t believe Science and Faith need to be at odds, as ultimately the scientific truths that are discovered and the theological truths revealed by Christ to his Church are not add odds as they find their source from the same God.

I never new you left the Catholic Church over this issue of the literal 6 days in Genesis. And I could care less what individual RCIA directors and priests taught as their is a standard of Catholic teaching and it ain’t the local Priest, Nun, DRE or RCIA director.


101 posted on 04/06/2011 7:22:43 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564; verdugo
Your way off base. The real presence in the Eucharist, if it could be proved scientifically, would be problematic. It is ultimately a mystery of Faith, which is what the sacraments in Greek were called “mysterion” in Greek was translated into “sacramentum” by St. Jerome and our english words Mystery and Sacrament are derived from those Greek ande Latin Words.

Transubstantiation does not require scientific verification, neither does the Incarnation, the Trinity or the Resurrection. Transubstantiation is a dogma that is based on metaphysics [i.e. philosophy].

I suppose science doesn't have the right to say that humans can't be born without the participation of a human father as well.

Everything you have just said applies just as much to the creation of the universe in six days some 5770 years ago. Science has no more access to one than to the other. It is only sociological considerations, not wanting to be like "trailer trash," that separates cosmogony from every other supernatural phenomenon. The Catholic Church doesn't want "white trash," and I am "white trash," therefore I can never submit to such a church.

All the Church requires is that I believe that God created the world and all things seen and unseen and that God created the world from Nothing. Whether the 6 days in Genesis is “Literal” or “Allegorical” does not, regardless of what view you take, change any doctrine or dogma of the Church.

In other words, the Catholic Church does not believe that G-d told the truth in the genealogies in the first eleven chapters of Genesis. The Catholic Church says that G-d is a liar (chas vechilah!). Some "one true church" you have going there.

All the Creeds of the early Church affirmed that God created everything and the fact that science suggests that the world is older than 6,000 years does not shake my faith at all as I don’t believe Science and Faith need to be at odds, as ultimately the scientific truths that are discovered and the theological truths revealed by Christ to his Church are not add odds as they find their source from the same God.

You people are very good at regurgitating the same song. You have it memorized like Fundamentalist Protestants memorize Bible verses.

Regardless of what the creeds do or don't say, the G-d-dictated text of Genesis gives a description of the creation of the world and then a series of genealogies that teach plainly that there were only 2448 years and 26 generations between the creation of Adam and the giving of the Torah at Mt. Sinai. You obviously don't believe this because as a Catholic you feel you have to accept the higher critical theories of nineteenth century liberal German Protestants in order to prove you are a loyal Catholic and not "trailer trash." Bully for you. Any church or religion that says that G-d's Divinely dictated Torah contains untruths (and "truths" include "mundane facts" as well as "profound" stuff) is itself a liar.

I never new you left the Catholic Church over this issue of the literal 6 days in Genesis. And I could care less what individual RCIA directors and priests taught as their is a standard of Catholic teaching and it ain’t the local Priest, Nun, DRE or RCIA director.

There is a great deal you don't know.

It wasn't only the Catholic denial of the Genesis account of creation, though that was certainly part of it. It was the whole attitude of irreverence to G-d's Written Word (and yes, I acknowledge there is an Oral Word as well) that endorsed every theory of liberal Protestantism in order to avoid "bibliolatry."

It's sociological: the Catholic Church isn't for all people. It's only for certain types of people, and "rednecks" are not included, not wanted, and not welcome.

Meanwhile Catholic peasants in Italy wind snakes around statues, but at least they aren't embarrassing the Church by believing the text of Genesis is factually accurate.

105 posted on 04/07/2011 9:02:32 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hachodesh hazeh lakhem ro'sh chodashim; ri'shon hu' lakhem lechodshey hashanah.)
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