Posted on 04/14/2011 8:18:23 AM PDT by Grunthor
Yes, that was before FR purged a lot of the trad Catholics. They had a depth of knowledge that is often lost among us post-VII educated Catholics.
Fortunately, post-Summorum Pontificum, its no longer bad to be Trad.
I remember reading in a blog post of yours linked from free republic you mentioning the purging of traditional Catholics from this forum.
Is there an interesting back story to that?
I scanned the thread, very interesting.
One thing that stood out, without me reading too deeply, that won’t happen until kiddos are sleeping, was the brief discussion of education of children. One poster maintained that wasn’t a legitimate reason for postponing pregnancy, based upon Pius XII’s address to the midwives. But it seems to me, that standard isn’t necessarily available now. The need to homeschool didn’t exist at the time of Pius’ address. And the duty to properly educate your children can be effected by how many there are.
There’s a lot of food for thought that the laity really needs to have addresses.
That is a very good, very valid observation. We've homeschooled for 13 years now, but we only have three. My wife has her degree in elementary education, but our kids were 80-90% self taught once they were solid readers.
Honestly, we know a lot of large homeschooling families, and the older children often end up being a major help to the parents in the education of the younger ones. And lots of homeschoolers take more than 18 years to complete a tough curriculum like Seton.
I guess I'm just saying there are advantages of large families that are often overlooked in a culture diametrically opposed to large families.
I’m a Seton graduate and it’s hands down the best college prep school program out there. My kids are enrolled now.
I’ve been a high school tutor for 10 years and I see what happens when parents aren’t involved with their kids’ education at home. And the vast majority are large families where mom is overwhelmed.
This is not the first time he's detracted against me, and for some time it is the ONLY response he has to what I post. He was character assassinating, it's all he's able to do to respond to my quoting from Church Fathers, Doctors, popes and councils, all of tradition/antiquity, what the Church had always taught for 1900+ years prior to the 1960’s.
re: what makes you think Cronos is Orthodox
I've seen this before, where Eastern Orthodox call themselves catholic. I read some of his responses and finally figured him out, and asked him point blank. He has never answered the question directly, always evading a direct answer till I refined the question down to the description of the Catholic Church that he can't hide behind - “The true Church of Jesus Christ is the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church” (from the first Vatican Council, and Mystici Corporis Christi, by Pope Pius)
You won't see him answer Dr. Kopp directly either.
P.S. - I have extended the courtesy of copying Cronos since we are talking about him. I have nothing against him, I can understand that he is frustrated in not being able to respond to what i post, however, detraction against others is an intolerable offense.
Of course, perhaps by "world" you mean "Western Europe", not "κόσμος". It seems to me that in more easterly parts the phrase "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church" has always referred to what is now commonly called "the Orthodox Church".
If you chose to reply, I will not, at least not until after the Great and Holy Pascha.
May you have a blessed Feast of the Resurrection, however you keep it.
The "Orthodox" get a free pass here on FR since no one here knows the real "doctrines" (few), and the fact that they are just 10 divided churches, and basically the Russian Orthodox are like 70% of the Eastern Orthodox. Yet, only 2% of the Russian Orthodox practice the religion. I don't blame them for leaving, as the Russian Orthodox Church is the lap dog of the KGB. All of that, yet some Orthodox say that the Eastern Orthodox are the one (though they are 10 separate churches), Catholic, church? Not even they believe that!
The 10 SCHISMATIC Eastern Orthodox churches:
(30 Days Magazine 1992)
Patriachate of Russian (Russian Orthodox) - 85 million
Patriachate of Romania - 17 million
Patriachate of Greece - 9.025 million
Patriachate of Serbia- 8 million
Patriachate of Bulgaria - 8 million
Patriachate of Constantinople - 3.5 million
4 other Patriachates together - 2.36 million
The "Orthodox" get a free pass here on FR since no one here knows the real "doctrines" (few), and the fact that they are just 10 divided churches, and basically the Russian Orthodox are like 70% of the Eastern Orthodox. Yet, only 2% of the Russian Orthodox practice the religion. I don't blame them for leaving, as the Russian Orthodox Church is the lap dog of the KGB. All of that, yet some Orthodox say that the Eastern Orthodox are the one (though they are 10 separate churches), Catholic, church? Not even they believe that!
The 10 SCHISMATIC Eastern Orthodox churches:
(30 Days Magazine 1992)
Patriachate of Russian (Russian Orthodox) - 85 million
Patriachate of Romania - 17 million
Patriachate of Greece - 9.025 million
Patriachate of Serbia- 8 million
Patriachate of Bulgaria - 8 million
Patriachate of Constantinople - 3.5 million
4 other Patriachates together - 2.36 million
“How can “natural” family planning, change the problem with the use of contraceptive family planning, mothers not having the children God has destined for them”
Would that be also an indictment on delayed marriage?
Cool. I wish I had received a Seton education instead of the diocesan catholic school education I received. Twelve years of decent academics but pure rubbish instead of real Catholic formation. But then I was in Catholic grade and high schools from 1972-1984, the height of the post-VII chaos.
And the vast majority are large families where mom is overwhelmed.
True, we've certainly known overwhelmed moms of big families, there's just no getting around that.
Verdugo, we are still waiting for your response to Lorica's question on another thread.
"... do you consider Pope Benedict to be a valid pope?"
We are not interested in whether or not you consider him to be validly elected.
Yes or No
I don't know whether to laugh, roll my eyes, or feel a small bit of empathy for those who have to balance on the pedestals they have made for themselves.
The question I asked him was never answered. Great noise was made about it, but the thing itself was left to go gently into the great internet night.
There's a big difference between acknowledging that proper procedure was followed in the pope's election, and considering, in one's mind and heart, that the sitting pope is valid. The former position removes one from actually having to make that very difficult decision, and I can understand the difficulty in taking the final step, because the only place one can go from there is sedevacantism.
re: "Verdugo, do you consider Pope Benedict to be a valid pope?"
Yes, he is a validly elected pope. He is the pope of the Catholic Church, the 266th pope in the apostolic line of popes which started with St. Peter the Apostle.
That is not the question. Do you, Verdugo, consider Pope Benedict to be a valid pope?
The Church is made up of the five original sees. One of them is the See of Rome. The other four Sees are equally valid and equally part of the Church. It is the sedevacantists that have removed themselves from the Church every bit as much as the Reformers.
You appear to have removed yourself from the Church, so why would this be a false statement?
I don't care about what the world calls the Church. I care about what the Church calls the Church. And your screeds don't match.
The only voice resembling Mel Gibson, you mean.
NYer asked: Verdugo, we are still waiting for your response to Lorica’s question on another thread.
“... do you consider Pope Benedict to be a valid pope?”
We are not interested in whether or not you consider him to be validly elected.
Yes or No
Verdugo responded: I’ve answered that like 10 times. You don’t believe my clear words, and yet you swallow the ambiguities of the post Vatican II “newspeak”, hook line and sinker?
re: “Verdugo, do you consider Pope Benedict to be a valid pope?”
Yes, he is a validly elected pope. He is the pope of the Catholic Church, the 266th pope in the apostolic line of popes which started with St. Peter the Apostle.
Nyer responded: re:”Yes, he is a validly elected pope”.
That is not the question. Do you, Verdugo, consider Pope Benedict to be a valid pope?
Verdugo responds: What planet are you people from? You strain gnats, you don’t believe my clear words, and yet you swallow camels of the post Vatican II “newspeak”, hook line and sinker?
Yes, I consider him a validly elected pope. I consider him the pope of the Catholic Church, I consider him the 266th pope in the apostolic line of popes which started with St. Peter the Apostle.
How can any of you look the other way when the Vatican II popes disregard all of the Church teaching, and do what all the popes have condemned with regard to ecumenism. How can you ignore Mortalium Animos? I’ve posted it 100 times, how can any of you ignore all of tradition, just because the current hierarchy is doing it? That is pure papalotry!
• Ignorance is bliss:
Sedevacantes and Papaloters, two sides of the same coin.
The sedevacantes say the popes can’t teach errors, therefore, we have had no popes since Pius XII. The Papaloters say nothing that the popes do is an error, therefore, tradition can be ignored, or has been updated.
The Catholic that follows tradition/antiquity, does not fall into that conundrum.
“Those that have eyes to see, let them see”.
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