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To: SeekAndFind

As another poster said, and I am shamelessly stealing, “Either you have faith or you don’t.”


3 posted on 04/17/2011 8:17:14 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

Here’s my problem with the premises of the writer:

* She drew distinctions between scientific evidence and belief as if evidence requires no belief or assumption or interpretation. The belief of Christians in Jesus’ life comes from “textual evidence in the Bible” – betraying a bias that textual evidence is less credible than scientific evidence.

* Her headline also implies that evidence must be physical. This rules out logical and textual evidence and eyewitness testimony.

* It also begs questions about whether other beliefs accepted by scientists are based on physical evidence alone.

* But dubious archaeological claims, frauds and forgeries have little to do with the question of whether Jesus really lived. But she gives weight to these.

* She seemed to indicate that non-canonical gospels have equal bearing with Matthew, Mark, Luke and John on the history of Jesus: “There are still other Gospels,” she said, without naming them.

* She did not mention that the Gospel of Judas was written much later by Gnostics, and that the Gospel of Thomas and others have long been considered spurious by early church fathers who lived closest in time to the writing of those documents. Nor did she explore the church fathers’ criteria for authenticity, the social dynamics of heretics and cults who might have reasons to write spurious accounts, nor the science of textual analysis, concerned with the authenticity of texts.

* She drew a middle ground on the historicity of Jesus, quoting Marcus Borg, a secular scholar at Oregon State: “We do know some things about the historical Jesus – less than some Christians think, but more than some skeptics think.” That judgment, though, rests on what documents one takes as credible. Borg did not question the fact that Jesus lived, but from the textual evidence, presented a synopsis of Jesus’ life SANITIZED of the miraculous.

Articles like the above often appear when Good Friday looms.

During this time, Secularists will pick and choose the kinds of evidence they like, draw their conclusions based on that selected evidence, filter it through their materialistic biases, and proclaim to the world that science has shown the resurrection to be a myth, congratulating themselves that they have been neutral “scientists” and not biased dogmatists like the believers.


8 posted on 04/17/2011 8:26:37 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: pnh102

Faith is faith - agreed. However, I don’t think that the thinking should be entirely left out. And while not “physical evidence” - there is the account made by Josephus, a Jewish historian born about the time Christ was crucified.

http://carm.org/apologetics/evidence-and-answers/regarding-quotes-historian-josephus-about-jesus


9 posted on 04/17/2011 8:26:58 PM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: pnh102

You got it. FAITH is what is important.


35 posted on 04/18/2011 5:17:11 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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