The Church Fathers- Mary: Ever Virgin

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[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your question, dear brother in Christ!

My post on another thread:

I am very much against all forms of replacement theology.

God keeps all of His promises. Every. Single. One.

But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD. - Jer 31:33-37

The total number and types of dimensions are both unknown and unknowable. God has not cast off the seed of Israel.

And the Song of Moses will be sung along with the Song of the Lamb:

And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses; the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous [are] thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true [are] thy ways, thou King of saints. Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for [thou] only [art] holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. – Rev 15:2-4

This is prophecy.

The Song of Moses (Deut 32) was from God.

Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel. - Deut 31:19

Then the prophecy:

They have moved me to jealousy with [that which is] not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with [those which are] not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. – Deuteronomy 32:21

Explained here:

But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by [them that are] no people, [and] by a foolish nation I will anger you. - Romans 10:19

I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. - Romans 11:11

And then the prophecy as it concerns replacement theology:

Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.

For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance. - Romans 11:18-29

The Jews are not yet "jealous" but they will be - note the Names of God revealed here:

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:7-8

And again,

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father. - Philippians 2:10-11

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

[presently no screen name]

I am the church, a small c, the body of Jesus Christ

Even though this is common knowledge to Christians, this is way over the pay grade of catholics. They are liberals who have a mental block to understanding the simplest of things. Think of them as parrots who just repeat the same babble over and over what they were taught by repetition.

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[Cronos]

quix: Yourcheap shots about Benny are pathetic.

I’ve long made it known that Benny is not a favorite of mine.

I deplore a lot of his stuff.

If God chooses to use Benny, that’s God’s business. God used a donkey to speak to a prophet once.

So, when Benny Hinn says the following unbiblical stuff from hell you just "deplore" his "stuff"?

God has 9 parts (tri-theistic).

A. God has a body, soul and spirit.
B. Jesus has a body, soul and spirit.
C. Holy Spirit has a body, soul and spirit. (Benny Hinn, Benny Hinn broadcast, recorded 10/13/90)

and

"He [Jesus] who is righteous by choice said, 'The only way I can stop sin is by Me becoming it. I can't just stop it by letting it touch Me; I and it must become one.' Hear this! He who is the nature of God became the nature of Satan where He became sin!" (Benny Hinn, TBN, 12/1/90)

So, why do you Quix think that Benny is not a liar con-man who spouts "non-biblical stuff from hell"?

9 gods?

[Cronos]

But benny sure knows the booty call!

From the Curious Presbyterian website

Televangelist Benny Hinn is being sued by Strang Communications, a publishing company that alleges that Hinn violated a morality clause in their contract when he began an “inappropriate relationship” with Without Walls pastor Paula White.

In August, The National Enquirer published photos of Hinn and White holding hands in Rome. Hinn was married to Suzanne Hinn at the time. His wife had filed for divorce in February 2010.

Go Benny, hit that thang!

Paul White -- the botox filled preacher who sleeps around with another preacher is pretty hot.

[Cronos]

quix: Most Proddys hereon are quite Biblical in their beliefs about such thing

Well, we had earlier established that "Proddy" is not a short-form for Protestant but rather for those following the same cockamamy philosophy as you, Quix: we saw in above posts of Jesse (the liar) Duplantis went to heaven and that Benny (there are 9 gods) Hinn is just a tool of God

The term "Proddy" hence excludes Presbyterians, Lutheran, etc. among others because they too will laugh at this crap. So, hence the term "Proddy" just means those following the same cockamamy philosophy as you, Quix on Benny Hinn and Jesse Duplantis. Thanks for the confirmation. From now on when we see that term "Proddy" we'll know it mean "Jesse Duplantis lovers" and definitely does not mean Lutherans or Presbyterians or others (well, in any case your post repeated what the Proddy clan says of Lutherans -- rejection can be hurtful, eh?)

[Cronos]

titanites: the luminescence was due to the reflection off Jesse's Rolex.

The question is -- which of Jesse's many Rolexes was this?

[Cronos]

titanites: the luminescence was due to the reflection off Jesse's Rolex.

The question is -- which of Jesse's many Rolexes was this?

As Quix's following post says which flaunt themselves loudly far and wide. -- Rolexes like Jesse's really do flaunt themselves loudly far and wide

[Cronos]

pnsm: And that would tie in with the muzzie's koran

Do you know that well?

And strangely enough, your post above spoke of only Christ's preaching and death. We Christians on the other hand celebrate Christ's rising from the Dead and Ascension into heaven too

I know it's difficult for some to accept the fact that JEsus Christ is God and they use this to attack the Church, but if you wish to believe or not believe that, that's your choice.

[Cronos]

I've never known anyone to post with such lack of knowledge as your posts show

Nestorianism rejected the idea that the Human and Divine hypostases of Jesus Christ were intimately intertwined, but rather that they were separate.

This propounded the concept that there were two Christs -- a human one born of Mary and the Hypostasis of the Son who ENTERED into and "possessed" the man Jesus.

Nestorianism thus sees Jesus as a man possessed by the Spirit of God, not God become man. We Christians on the contrary believe that Jesus was/is God, not a man possessed by the Spirit of God

you're also utterly wrong about the location -- Nestorianism moved to what is now Persia and was instrumental in the Church of the East, which later, under Babai the Great rejected Nestorianism

[Cronos]

Cronos: So, why exactly would WELS throw out someone? WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod

Quix: For someone not believing lock-step identically to the way the hierarchy currently says they must . . . FELLOWSHIP DOCTRINE etc.

Ah, so because the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod holds to a position that, “… complete confessional unity is the necessary scriptural basis for all practices of church fellowship, that is, for pulpit, altar, and prayer fellowship.”

no wonder -- they would throw out anyone who was preaching heterodox views like following Benny or Jesse or any of the other outlandish theorems, I'm sure, right?

[Cronos]

Consequently I don't accept doctrine lightly and I do not accept things that I'm not 100% sure of. It was no small effort that I became a Reformer.

That's a good approach (former sentence) and the same path I went to deepen my faith in my Church.

With the Reformed, I really, honestly do think that there are three deep issues at the core that are wrong and the first is actually threatening to the holder's faith in a Christian God -- you of course will disagree, but that's the way I see it:

1. the belief in double predestination --> Ezekiel 33 knocks this out of the park and scripture abounds with branches pruned out but some grafted back in.

   you added in verses 19 and 20 in post 608, and you asked Now do you believe that the wicked can turn away from their wickedness without God's help? -- My answer is No.

   God judges everyone according to their ways -- yes. However, note that this "their ways" can only happen if people have the free will to even HAVE "their ways".

   God's grace is needed for us to turn to him, yes, but there is no proof for God pre-condeming pre-programmed people to hell -- God does not do that.