Since there is no word from God to pray to Mary or any other person but God, it would seems these prayers are in vain...And you've certainly got the repetitious part down pat...
DEFINITION OF VAIN
1. Not yielding the desired outcome; fruitless: a vain attempt.
2. Lacking substance or worth:
all Trinitarians Christians, Presbyterians, Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, Orthodox, Baptists, Copts, Methodists etc. share these beliefs
Nicene Creed Credo in unum Deum, Patrem omnipotentem, factorem caeli et terrae, visibilium omnium et invisibilium. Et in unum Dominum Iesum Christum, Filium Dei unigenitum, et ex Patre natum ante omnia saecula. Deum de Deo, Lumen de Lumine, Deum verum de Deo vero, genitum non factum, consubstantialem Patri; per quem omnia facta sunt.
Qui propter nos homines et propter nostram salutem descendit de caelis. Et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria Virgine, et homo factus est.
Crucifixus etiam pro nobis sub Pontio Pilato, passus et sepultus est, et resurrexit tertia die, secundum Scripturas, et ascendit in caelum, sedet ad dexteram Patris.
Et iterum venturus est cum gloria, iudicare vivos et mortuos, cuius regni non erit finis.
Et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum et vivificantem, qui ex Patre Filioque procedit.
Qui cum Patre et Filio simul adoratur et conglorificatur: qui locutus est per prophetas.
Et unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam.
Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. Et expecto resurrectionem mortuorum, et vitam venturi saeculi. Amen.
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.Some Christians personally may use the lower case in the maroon line, but that is their interpretation :) and does not detract from the fact that we share the basic beliefs.
| [19] Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost |
We Christians all see this as a clear definition of the Trinity: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit
How can you dispute this explicitly states the doctrine of the Trinity -- three hypostases but one substance/essence(homoousios)?
When Jesus said to the Apostles that He was going to go to the Father and send the Holy Spirit, this was not one hypostasis playing 3 roles/modes
If this was one hypostasis, why would Jesus have to go to be with Himself and then leave to send Himself?
No, I'm sorry, but your philosophy contradicts all that we Christians believe, is unscriptural and illogical.
I think that assumes the thing to be proved.
Further, I don’t see how this could be assessed by an outside observer. What is the desired outcome of a little old lady praying the Rosary, and how do you know it? How do you know it is not achieved?
What is the ‘substance’ of prayer and how does the rosary lack it? What is prayer “worth”?
I don’t see how extract anything from this statement either to assent to or to dissent from. It seems nugatory.